The Thief on the Cross

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by faithit166

truly i dont believe it did just sayin

I didn't ask that though. I asked if you beleived it was possible for it to happen that way. Do you?

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I didn't ask that though. I asked if you beleived it was possible for it to happen that way. Do you?

anything is possible,

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by faithit166

anything is possible,

So how can some believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to save a man during deathbed repentance? They can believe such a person can be transported and baptized by God himself and then speak in tongues in such a way that no one knows he did BUT they cannot believe that God can just save the dying man by his repentance. It amazes me.

I even remember a story where Jesus forgave a person once. He asked if it was easier to say thy sins be forgiven thee or to say arise and walk. I think he was amazed that they could believe he could cause her to talk but couldn't forgive her sins. Just like that I'm amazed that people can believe God can miraculously baptize a dying man and let him speak in tongues without no one knowing but they cannot believe he can just forgive him on his deathbed.

[Monarchianism]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So how can some believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to save a man during deathbed repentance? They can believe such a person can be transported and baptized by God himself and then speak in tongues in such a way that no one knows he did BUT they cannot believe that God can just save the dying man by his repentance. It amazes me.

I even remember a story where Jesus forgave a person once. He asked if it was easier to say thy sins be forgiven thee or to say arise and walk. I think he was amazed that they could believe he could cause her to talk but couldn't forgive her sins. Just like that I'm amazed that people can believe God can miraculously baptize a dying man and let him speak in tongues without no one knowing but they cannot believe he can just forgive him on his deathbed.

That's not the point. Are you saying that it is possible for God to lie now?
Doesn't the Word say that a man "must" be born of the water and of the Spirit?
If english means anything then "must" is not a "if you want to."

God cannot lie.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

That's not the point. Are you saying that it is possible for God to lie now?
Doesn't the Word say that a man "must" be born of the water and of the Spirit?
If english means anything then "must" is not a "if you want to."

God cannot lie.

Jfrog seems to be arguing that the birth of water and spirit can happen even on the deathbed, which would conclude God can caused someone to be rebirthed despite not being baptized in water or speaking in tongues.. John3:5 therefore wouldn't refute the point.

[Monarchianism]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Jfrog seems to be arguing that the birth of water and spirit can happen even on the deathbed, which would conclude God can caused someone to be rebirthed despite not being baptized in water or speaking in tongues.. John3:5 therefore wouldn't refute the point.

God gives everyone a chance to set their life straight, and to decide what to do with that time. (Obey Acts 2:38)
I would assume that the woman or man on deathbed knows this way.
To give everyone an opportunity is to let all flesh know about us, eventually.

It is possible for God to reach their heart while on their deathbed to Obey it. And if they did before they passed on, then I would expect to see them in heaven. No other way around it though. You're either in or you're out. You either truly believe, or you don't. And if you don't obey, you don't.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

God gives everyone a chance to set their life straight, and to decide what to do with that time. (Obey Acts 2:38)
I would assume that the woman or man on deathbed knows this way.
To give everyone an opportunity is to let all flesh know about us, eventually.

It is possible for God to reach their heart while on their deathbed to Obey it. And if they did before they passed on, then I would expect to see them in heaven. No other way around it though. You're either in or you're out. You either truly believe, or you don't. And if you don't obey, you don't.

God is no respecter of persons. If he can save a healthy man then he can save a man on his death bed just as easily.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

That's not the point. Are you saying that it is possible for God to lie now?
Doesn't the Word say that a man "must" be born of the water and of the Spirit?
If english means anything then "must" is not a "if you want to."

God cannot lie.

Did God lie when Peter spoke that those who repent and are baptized in Jesus' name shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? How many do you know that have came and repented and even been baptized that have died never receiving the Holy Ghost?

[Monarchianism]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Did God lie when Peter spoke that those who repent and are baptized in Jesus' name shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? How many do you know that have came and repented and even been baptized that have died never receiving the Holy Ghost?

None.

Why do two, and not the last?
What does "must" be born of the water and of the Spirit mean to you?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

None.

Why do two, and not the last?
What does "must" be born of the water and of the Spirit mean to you?

Really? You don't know any that way? I'm amazed. All I can say is give it time and you will.

As far as doing two but not the last... the last isn't something we do... the last (receiving the Holy Ghost) is a promise and is something God does, not us.

What does being born of the water and Spirit mean to me? Being born of water means to follow (a)the one who came by water and blood, Jesus ((a)1 John 5:6). Being born of Spirit means to believe the testimony that the Spirit gave of Jesus.