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03-17-2011, 07:50 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
During a coffee break this morning I finally speed read this thread from start to finish. Someone had complained about the content so I was expecting heaven knows what. I did not see anything in this thread to cause anybody to get upset about unless some posts have been edited or deleted before I saw them.
I have no problem with preacher only forums. I think it is great preachers of like faith can have a place to discuss both doctrine and church matters AND comment on the church world as they see it.
A forum of conservative preachers would naturally discuss trends or ministries they see as straying from their beloved legalism "ALERT: It is rumored Bro. SoandSo had a youth meeting and there were THREE teenagers with short sleeves on there!!!!!"
By the same token I have no doubt that a lib preachers forum would discuss the absurdity of their local ultra cons legalism and the irony when an ultra con or conservative preacher is discovered to have been engaging in ongoing sexual sin while thumping his pulpit and enforicing a stringent clothesline of dress codes.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-17-2011, 09:48 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Charnock
No, not since they became havens for adulterers, perverts and pretend preachers.
Preachers forums thrive on ferreting out "rats" and holiness nonconformists but they will cover their buddies sins better than a dog buries his favorite bone.
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For the record, I don't regret anything I've posted on this thread. I meant every word I posted.
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Originally Posted by CC1
During a coffee break this morning I finally speed read this thread from start to finish. Someone had complained about the content so I was expecting heaven knows what. I did not see anything in this thread to cause anybody to get upset about unless some posts have been edited or deleted before I saw them.
I have no problem with preacher only forums. I think it is great preachers of like faith can have a place to discuss both doctrine and church matters AND comment on the church world as they see it.
A forum of conservative preachers would naturally discuss trends or ministries they see as straying from their beloved legalism "ALERT: It is rumored Bro. SoandSo had a youth meeting and there were THREE teenagers with short sleeves on there!!!!!"
By the same token I have no doubt that a lib preachers forum would discuss the absurdity of their local ultra cons legalism and the irony when an ultra con or conservative preacher is discovered to have been engaging in ongoing sexual sin while thumping his pulpit and enforicing a stringent clothesline of dress codes.
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Alright CC1, here are 2 quotes from Charnock (whoever he/she is) you either did not read this thread or you agree with his statements.
Which is it?
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03-17-2011, 10:25 AM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Alright CC1, here are 2 quotes from Charnock (whoever he/she is) you either did not read this thread or you agree with his statements.
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You are correct that I missed that post from Charnock. His assertion is absurd. I know many of the men on one particular preachers forum and although I fundamentally disagree with them on many issues they are upstanding ethical men who do not provide the "haven" Charnock describes.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-17-2011, 02:45 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by CC1
You are correct that I missed that post from Charnock. His assertion is absurd. I know many of the men on one particular preachers forum and although I fundamentally disagree with them on many issues they are upstanding ethical men who do not provide the "haven" Charnock describes.
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Thank you.
I agree.
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03-17-2011, 12:04 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by Ron
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Alright CC1, here are 2 quotes from Charnock (whoever he/she is) you either did not read this thread or you agree with his statements.
Which is it?
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I have no idea who Charnock is, but what if Charnock is the victim of an adulterer minister? What if Charnock's husband committed adultery or Charnock's wife was stolen by a pastor? I would be more understanding of these comments. Usually we are hair trigger with our defensiveness without knowing the full story. Just some thoughts to consider.
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03-17-2011, 12:15 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
I have no idea who Charnock is, but what if Charnock is the victim of an adulterer minister? What if Charnock's husband committed adultery or Charnock's wife was stolen by a pastor? I would be more understanding of these comments. Usually we are hair trigger with our defensiveness without knowing the full story. Just some thoughts to consider.
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Or what if an adultrous preacher condemned him/her while hiding in his own sin?
Charnock might want to consider what mercy he/she would want and extend that to those who depitefully used him/her.....
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03-17-2011, 12:29 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Or what if an adultrous preacher condemned him/her while hiding in his own sin?
Charnock might want to consider what mercy he/she would want and extend that to those who depitefully used him/her.....
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Sometimes when crazy things are happening all around us, we say/do things in the moment that we wouldn't do over time. I just don't want to be quick to jump all over someone who might be really hurting and is speaking out of their pain. Internet forums can be so impersonal. Maybe Charnock shouldn't feel the way he/she does. If I knew who they were and what they are going through/been through I might just want to back off and say a prayer and offer my friendship with a PM instead of going to war over a couple of statements you deem over the top. Evidently someone who knows Charnock vouches for their respect of ministry and ministers. Good enough for me.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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03-17-2011, 12:31 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
Sometimes when crazy things are happening all around us, we say/do things in the moment that we wouldn't do over time. I just don't want to be quick to jump all over someone who might be really hurting and is speaking out of their pain. Internet forums can be so impersonal. Maybe Charnock shouldn't feel the way he/she does. If I knew who they were and what they are going through/been through I might just want to back off and say a prayer and offer my friendship with a PM instead of going to war over a couple of statements you deem over the top. Evidently someone who knows Charnock vouches for their respect of ministry and ministers. Good enough for me.
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I can vouch for Charnock as well. He's my friend.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Last edited by RevDWW; 03-17-2011 at 12:47 PM.
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03-17-2011, 01:24 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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I can vouch for Charnock as well. He's my friend.
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Charnock has every reason to feel like he does.
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03-17-2011, 02:56 PM
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Re: **preacher forums**
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Or what if an adultrous preacher condemned him/her while hiding in his own sin?
Charnock might want to consider what mercy he/she would want and extend that to those who depitefully used him/her.....
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Now there is a thought.
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Last edited by *AQuietPlace*; 03-17-2011 at 04:39 PM.
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