Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Video 12, 13 and 14 talk about when he was sexually molested as a child and how his mother's reaction to it, when he didn't know what was really going on, affected him all of his life. Things, back then, they didn't talk about, but it never fixed anything.

You need to find out what he is actually talking about, Daniel.

There's no doubt that our experiences inform our opinions, PO. I'd suspected he had dealt with incredible amounts of shame as he has alluded to dealing with it during the 1980's ... that said ... in teaching this to the people of God ... in teaching any subject ... we must be careful to define our terms ...so that we know what we are addressing ... not bring confusion or even possible frustration, not to proof text ... etc.

I hear some good teaching thus far in some of the statements and some faulty premises and conclusions as well.

Shame is not also as all encompassing as he has painted it ... that's where a clear bias might be affecting him ... here.

I know when we examine our feelings and emotions ... they are intertwined with our experiences and even our sinful nature and thoughts that at time "rise up" ... in unraveling it we must try to be precise and bible based ... with a backdrop that the heart of man is wicked and perverse ... who shall know it? Our God does.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

There's no doubt that our experiences inform our opinions, PO. I'd suspected he had dealt with incredible amounts of shame as he has alluded to dealing with it during the 1980's ... that said ... in teaching this to the people of God ... in teaching any subject ... we must be careful to define our terms ...so that we know what we are addressing ... not bring confusion, not to proof text ... etc.

I hear some good teaching thus far in some of the statements and some faulty premises and conclusions as well.

Shame is not also as all encompassing as he has painted it ... that's where a clear bias might be affecting him ... here.

I know when we examine our feelings and emotions ... they are intertwined with our experiences and even our sinful nature and thoughts that at time "rise up" ... in unraveling it we must try to be precise and bible based ... with a backdrop that the heart of man is wicked and perverse ... who shall know it? Our God does.

For example his frame of reference is sexual abuse and all that entails... but then alludes to the shame/dishonor that is a part of the holistic code in Asian culture and ... the listener might believe this broad brush of shame is one and the same .... there are gradients, hues, shades ... and distinctions.

I think there the latter form is very much influenced culturally and may not be entirely negative, per se.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

There's no doubt that our experiences inform our opinions, PO. I'd suspected he had dealt with incredible amounts of shame as he has alluded to dealing with it during the 1980's ... that said ... in teaching this to the people of God ... in teaching any subject ... we must be careful to define our terms ...so that we know what we are addressing ...

I hear some good teaching thus far in some of the statements and some faulty premises and conclusions as well.

Shame is not also as all encompassing as he has painted it ... that's where a clear bias might be affecting him ... here.

I know when we examine our feelings and emotions ... they are intertwined with our experiences and even our sinful nature and thoughts that at time "rise up" ... in unraveling it we must try to be precise and bible based ... with a backdrop that the heart of man is wicked and perverse ... who shall know it? Our God does.

Daniel,
I am only at video 14 and thus far, he seems to be progressing toward an overall point of deep hurt we can't seem to let go of. He said that after that experience he tried to be good, but when people told him he was good, he never believed it and brought that into his marriage and into his ministry.

As much as you want to hurt this man, he is going somewhere valid with this seminar coming up and it will help a whole lot of people.

I have some deep hurts from my past that have affected me all of my life, not on the same level as he did, but it's there. I have been blessed by his message thus far.

You will find, to your consternation, that in video 13 the Lord directs him go to a meeting where LS is preaching because he has a word for him, which he did. Even if we don't agree with LS's HMH doctrine, he has been used of God, which Prax will even attest to.

I plan on listening to all of the clips, but will have to stagger that out when my husband isn't here. He doesn't like to listen to on-line preaching.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Daniel,
I am only at video 14 and thus far, he seems to be progressing toward an overall point of deep hurt we can't seem to let go of. He said that after that experience he tried to be good, but when people told him he was good, he never believed it and brought that into his marriage and into his ministry.

As much as you want to hurt this man, he is going somewhere valid with this seminar coming up and it will help a whole lot of people.

I have some deep hurts from my past that have affected me all of my life, not on the same level as he did, but it's there. I have been blessed by his message thus far.

You will find, to your consternation, that in video 13 the Lord directs him go to a meeting where LS is preaching because he has a word for him, which he did. Even if we don't agree with LS's HMH doctrine, he has been used of God, which Prax will even attest to.

I plan on listening to all of the clips, but will have to stagger that out when my husband isn't here. He doesn't like to listen to on-line preaching.

Preposterous and offensive accusation ... more of the "heart peeking"... PO if you're going down this rabbit trail and flopping again, then ... log off or try the FH. Nor will I respond to you anymore.

If you want to discuss the message in it's entirety ... not just hormonally or "emotionally"... but as the Berean you claim you are ... step back and examine it all ... lest in the moment God's Word and truth are adulterated.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

Preposterous and offensive accusation ... more of the "heart peeking"... PO if you're going down this rabbit trail and flopping again, then ... log off or try the FH. Nor will I respond to you anymore.

If you want to discuss the message in it's entirety ... not just hormonally or "emotionally"... but as the Berean you claim you are ... step back and examine it all.

Why didn't you do that before you started criticizing him? I listened to more of the clips then you did even AFTER you started this thread.

And it isn't an accusation. It is an observation. You're just angry that someone would dare to stand up to you and say it. Daniel, you started this thread with an accusation without even listening to all of what this man was trying to convey to the group of people he was talking to. That is just bad form, Daniel.

If you think that everyone sitting on a pew is whole because they are filled with God's Spirit, think again. He has some very valid points that will minister to many. Of that, I have no doubt.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why didn't you do that before you started criticizing him? I listened to more of the clips then you did even AFTER you started this thread.

And it isn't an accusation. It is an observation. You're just angry that someone would dare to stand up to you and say it. Daniel, you started this thread with an accusation without even listening to all of what this man was trying to convey to the group of people he was talking to. That is just bad form, Daniel.

If you think that everyone sitting on a pew is whole because they are filled with God's Spirit, think again. He has some very valid points that will minister to many. Of that, I have no doubt.

Daniel believes in triumphalism now? He believes we are all whole?

Shame is a mechanism of the Spirit working us toward perfection, is it not? Even Dr. Laura gets that to some extent! lol http://www.drlaurablog.com/2008/09/11/shame-on-you/

Condemnation is what holds people back, which is rooted in unbelief of God's gracious gift. Shame brings a closer to the cross. Shame is present because of an awareness of one's sin.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why didn't you do that before you started criticizing him? I listened to more of the clips then you did even AFTER you started this thread.

And it isn't an accusation. It is an observation. You're just angry that someone would dare to stand up to you and say it. Daniel, you started this thread with an accusation without even listening to all of what this man was trying to convey to the group of people he was talking to. That is just bad form, Daniel.

If you think that everyone sitting on a pew is whole because they are filled with God's Spirit, think again. He has some very valid points that will minister to many. Of that, I have no doubt.

Well, you did it. You caused me to log in and post.

My pastor uses Bro. Wright's material and teaches on shame. It has ministered to countless saints of God in our church and other churches where he has been asked to come and speak on this same topic.

Some of those that have been ministered to are saints that have been in the church for years as well as fellow ministers. Lives have been totally changed and people have been set free from things they struggled with for years.

Anyway, I had to share. This topic is kinda like the deliverance ministry topic in regards to how people respond to it. And thats about as far as I'll go with that thought!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Well, you did it. You caused me to log in and post.

My pastor uses Bro. Wright's material and teaches on shame. It has ministered to countless saints of God in our church and other churches where he has been asked to come and speak on this same topic.

Some of those that have been ministered to are saints that have been in the church for years as well as fellow ministers. Lives have been totally changed and people have been set free from things they struggled with for years.

Anyway, I had to share. This topic is kinda like the deliverance ministry topic in regards to how people respond to it. And that's about as far as I'll go with that thought!

Awesome post, LadyRev - so glad you dropped in!

Excerpt from video 18 - "Shame is a grudge that I harbor against myself."

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by DAII

There's no doubt that our experiences inform our opinions, PO. I'd suspected he had dealt with incredible amounts of shame as he has alluded to dealing with it during the 1980's ... that said ... in teaching this to the people of God ... in teaching any subject ... we must be careful to define our terms ...so that we know what we are addressing ... not bring confusion or even possible frustration, not to proof text ... etc.

I hear some good teaching thus far in some of the statements and some faulty premises and conclusions as well.

Shame is not also as all encompassing as he has painted it ... that's where a clear bias might be affecting him ... here.

I know when we examine our feelings and emotions ... they are intertwined with our experiences and even our sinful nature and thoughts that at time "rise up" ... in unraveling it we must try to be precise and bible based ... with a backdrop that the heart of man is wicked and perverse ... who shall know it? Our God does.

He's a pioneer, making up his own way of coping and counseling others through tragedy?

The way he uses and defines the word "shame" so carte blance and authoritatively is probably wrong. I'm sure his intentions are good.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Socialite

He's a pioneer, making up his own way of coping and counseling others through tragedy?

The way he uses and defines the word "shame" so carte blance and authoritatively is probably wrong. I'm sure his intentions are good.

I have no doubt he has altruistic intentions.