Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

onefaith2 · #1 03-29-2011, 10:28 AM

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All the cute little tag lines we say, but when viewed in how they are practiced it is not so.

I also believe it's a promise. So what that means is, Spirit Baptism is something Jesus would love the Church to have for mission, and there's no use being anxious about it, saying Acts 2:38 is a command (but then qualifying the Holy Spirit part despite pleading people to "get saved" and come to the front and receive the Spirit)....

We say so many things to smooth this out, but it's like one of those shirts that come pre-packaged... some of those creases just aren't coming out.

Yep you apparently don't understand God's promises in the way I'm seeing them. He never fails on his end, NEVER. Tongues or not tongues yet, you are going to get everything you need to be ready to enter heaven, if you continue to trust in Him.

Sort of like the disciples saying, JEsus show us everything NOW.. Jesus says you are not able yet. Or the believer saying, I want all truth now, yet Jesus says the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.

Amazing what patience and trust in this book would actually do if apostolics would practice it in these situations.

Socialite · #2 03-29-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Yep you apparently don't understand God's promises in the way I'm seeing them. He never fails on his end, NEVER. Tongues or not tongues yet, you are going to get everything you need to be ready to enter heaven, if you continue to trust in Him.

Sort of like the disciples saying, JEsus show us everything NOW.. Jesus says you are not able yet. Or the believer saying, I want all truth now, yet Jesus says the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.

Amazing what patience and trust in this book would actually do if apostolics would practice it in these situations.

Amen to the bolded.

But in practice, and even in the fine print of Apo theology, this is not the case.

onefaith2 · #3 03-29-2011, 10:32 AM

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Amen to the bolded.

But in practice, and even in the fine print of Apo theology, this is not the case.

I believe in the hearts of many earnest believers, it is the case. But we as the church must speak for salvation as a whole, all of it, including justification and sanctification. Since the new birth has been mostly associated with justification, the idea of it being a process as well as an event has been lost somewhere, except in the pages and minds of the PCI and those who have earnestly followed their mindset after realization of this problem.

Socialite · #4 03-29-2011, 10:35 AM

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I believe in the hearts of many earnest believers, it is the case. But we as the church must speak for salvation as a whole, all of it, including justification and sanctification. Since the new birth has been mostly associated with justification, the idea of it being a process as well as an event has been lost somewhere, except in the pages and minds of the PCI and those who have earnestly followed their mindset after realization of this problem.

You are right. Everything is at the door of Justification, ironically the most powerful work of the Cross (us being made right before God). We've bottled everything else in our theology up on that doorstep too: discipleship, maturity, gifts of the Spirit, Spirit baptism, disciplines, etc.

It's always Hell or else... even if it isn't said so explicitly anymore. The culture speaks for itself.

onefaith2 · #5 03-29-2011, 10:37 AM

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You are right. Everything is at the door of Justification, ironically the most powerful work of the Cross (us being made right before God). We've bottled everything else in our theology up on that doorstep too: discipleship, maturity, gifts of the Spirit, Spirit baptism, disciplines, etc.

It's always Hell or else... even if it isn't said so explicitly anymore. The culture speaks for itself.

The idea is if one experiences all these things and is still lost, they must not have had everthing. The mindset is, He's still working on me and the goal is heaven. A person has to embrace OSAS to escape the fact that even saved from sin, a person can still be lost eternally if they so choose to be.

Socialite · #6 03-29-2011, 10:40 AM

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The idea is if one experiences all these things and is still lost, they must not have had everthing. The mindset is, He's still working on me and the goal is heaven. A person has to embrace OSAS to escape the fact that even saved from sin, a person can still be lost eternally if they so choose to be.

Is that really the goal? Really????

I mean the primary goal is to go to this cool place called Heaven?

onefaith2 · #7 03-29-2011, 10:42 AM

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Is that really the goal? Really????

I mean the primary goal is to go to this cool place called Heaven?

Is that not your goal also? To live with Jesus forever in the New Jerusalem? Why else would you be living this way? If not to accept the gift of eternal life he is giving you?