Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You are right. Everything is at the door of Justification, ironically the most powerful work of the Cross (us being made right before God). We've bottled everything else in our theology up on that doorstep too: discipleship, maturity, gifts of the Spirit, Spirit baptism, disciplines, etc.

It's always Hell or else... even if it isn't said so explicitly anymore. The culture speaks for itself.

The idea is if one experiences all these things and is still lost, they must not have had everthing. The mindset is, He's still working on me and the goal is heaven. A person has to embrace OSAS to escape the fact that even saved from sin, a person can still be lost eternally if they so choose to be.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

The idea is if one experiences all these things and is still lost, they must not have had everthing. The mindset is, He's still working on me and the goal is heaven. A person has to embrace OSAS to escape the fact that even saved from sin, a person can still be lost eternally if they so choose to be.

Is that really the goal? Really????

I mean the primary goal is to go to this cool place called Heaven?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Is that really the goal? Really????

I mean the primary goal is to go to this cool place called Heaven?

Is that not your goal also? To live with Jesus forever in the New Jerusalem? Why else would you be living this way? If not to accept the gift of eternal life he is giving you?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Is that not your goal also? To live with Jesus forever in the New Jerusalem? Why else would you be living this way? If not to accept the gift of eternal life he is giving you?

I hope you reeeeeaaaaaalllly think about that statement you made.

Yes, I want to live forever with Jesus and reign with Him in New Jerusalem. But that wasn't the primary focus of my salvation.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I hope you reeeeeaaaaaalllly think about that statement you made.

Yes, I want to live forever with Jesus and reign with Him in New Jerusalem. But that wasn't the primary focus of my salvation.

Really and what is your primary focus of salvation. Better yet what IS the primary focus of salvation?

For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The Bible is clear why God gave us salvation.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Really and what is your primary focus of salvation. Better yet what IS the primary focus of salvation?

For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The Bible is clear why God gave us salvation.

Let's put it this way: Why did God elect Israel, separate them and call them to be His people?

(BTW, eternal life, rescue from death is different than "to spend forever in Heaven" -- I don't think your answer is wrong, I just don't think it's complete)

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Let's put it this way: Why did God elect Israel, separate them and call them to be His people?

(BTW, eternal life, rescue from death is different than "to spend forever in Heaven" -- I don't think your answer is wrong, I just don't think it's complete)

Because of the response of Abraham, the Father of faith to believe the promises of God. That is why the convenant was formed. God desired a relationship with his creation that was broken by sin. Abraham was willing to believe God in a pagan land and accept his promises.

Then God and Abraham made an agreement, a covenant, that his people would be blessed and that they would follow God in all they do.


Eternal life is different to spending eternity with Jesus? Please do tell. I need to hear a different opinion about eternal life.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Is that not your goal also? To live with Jesus forever in the New Jerusalem? Why else would you be living this way? If not to accept the gift of eternal life he is giving you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThaduxuGmWc

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThaduxuGmWc

I have not heard that song in YEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRRSSSS.

It's still as good as when I first heard it.