Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I believe Bammer has not released the documents because it is good politics to to paint his enemies as wacky nut jobs.

he will pull the docs out right before the next election. until then he is helped by not doing so.

or he really isn't a U. S. Citizen and he wont run for re-election.

You may have a point, however, with so much negative floating around, do you think he would actually let something like that build with his low ratings? Some people may not believe it in the end. He would be taking a chance. And why would he have spent the money he has to prevent people from seeing it? Why waste that money? And whose money was it he was spending?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You may have a point, however, with so much negative floating around, do you think he would actually let something like that build with his low ratings? Some people may not believe it in the end. He would be taking a chance. And why would he have spent the money he has to prevent people from seeing it? Why waste that money? And whose money was it he was spending?

its pennies really and believe me he gets more for the effort than he is hurt by this.

the right some really normal not so radical right want to know the truth. He gets to paint them as wackjobs and racists.

those who have willingness to vote for him see this as a stupid attack on him.

"birthers are crazy" and all that.

this guy is really smart at the politics of division. It is the soul of what makes him who he is. It is where he came from.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Ferd

its pennies really and believe me he gets more for the effort than he is hurt by this.

the right some really normal not so radical right want to know the truth. He gets to paint them as wackjobs and racists.

those who have willingness to vote for him see this as a stupid attack on him.

"birthers are crazy" and all that.

this guy is really smart at the politics of division. It is the soul of what makes him who he is. It is where he came from.

Not that I necessarily agree, but I can understand your explanation and admit that it is possible.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

its pennies really and believe me he gets more for the effort than he is hurt by this.

the right some really normal not so radical right want to know the truth. He gets to paint them as wackjobs and racists.

those who have willingness to vote for him see this as a stupid attack on him.

"birthers are crazy" and all that.

this guy is really smart at the politics of division. It is the soul of what makes him who he is. It is where he came from.

I would have agreed with you last year, but this issue seems to be gaining some traction.

One thing that struck me as strange is when the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, said that she had "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

She didn't ever say that she had seen the actual certificate, but that she has seen it was on record.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I would have agreed with you last year, but this issue seems to be gaining some traction.

One thing that struck me as strange is when the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, said that she had "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

She didn't ever say that she had seen the actual certificate, but that she has seen it was on record.

It being on record is as good as having the real thing... well almost... it's absence certainly isn't enough to say he wasn't born in Hawaii or to not allow him to run for president. (Which kind of makes me wonder what the birthers think they will gain by showing his long form isn't there)?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It being on record is as good as having the real thing... well almost...

Ooops, gotta stop your sentence right there! Let's leave that one hanging for a bit. Let's swirl that little thought around a little while.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Ooops, gotta stop your sentence right there! Let's leave that one hanging for a bit. Let's swirl that little thought around a little while.

I would have said it was the same as the real thing but I didn't want to mislead. What I was saying was that if he ran for president having a record of it would legally substitute for an actual long form BC in order to establish his natural born status IMO.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I would have said it was the same as the real thing but I didn't want to mislead. What I was saying was that if he ran for president having a record of it would legally substitute for an actual long form BC in order to establish his natural born status IMO.

Well, the way I see it, with so much unrest in the world and this country, the issue will only cause some laws to be written that handle this very thing in the future. So, the ramblings about it can't be all that bad. It will settle the issue for anything coming down the pike. I can live with that.

With Sharia Law looming in our future, we sure want to know what someone's religion is. That has always been important to Americans. Of course, the Muslims get to practice "taqiyya", which is the strangest religious practice of all - "concealing your faith under threat, persecution or under compulsion." In other words, if honor demands, lying is imperative.