Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I would have said it was the same as the real thing but I didn't want to mislead. What I was saying was that if he ran for president having a record of it would legally substitute for an actual long form BC in order to establish his natural born status IMO.

Well, the way I see it, with so much unrest in the world and this country, the issue will only cause some laws to be written that handle this very thing in the future. So, the ramblings about it can't be all that bad. It will settle the issue for anything coming down the pike. I can live with that.

With Sharia Law looming in our future, we sure want to know what someone's religion is. That has always been important to Americans. Of course, the Muslims get to practice "taqiyya", which is the strangest religious practice of all - "concealing your faith under threat, persecution or under compulsion." In other words, if honor demands, lying is imperative.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, the way I see it, with so much unrest in the world and this country, the issue will only cause some laws to be written that handle this very thing in the future. So, the ramblings about it can't be all that bad. It will settle the issue for anything coming down the pike. I can live with that.

With Sharia Law looming in our future, we sure want to know what someone's religion is. That has always been important to Americans. Of course, the Muslims get to practice "taqiyya", which is the strangest religious practice of all - "concealing your faith under threat, persecution or under compulsion." In other words, if honor demands, lying is imperative.

I can live with that.

I think the Sharia Law thing isn't a concern.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I can live with that.

I think the Sharia Law thing isn't a concern.

Why do you think that? A judge in Florida has just announced that he is going to use Sharia Law in his court room to help him make a determination and judgement on a case! Does that not scare you just a little bit?

BT

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Why do you think that? A judge in Florida has just announced that he is going to use Sharia Law in his court room to help him make a determination and judgement on a case! Does that not scare you just a little bit?

BT

I'd have to know the specifics of the case.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'd have to know the specifics of the case.

Here it 'tis!

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership

By William R. Levesque, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Tuesday, March 22, 2011

TAMPA — The question of what law applies in any Florida courtroom usually comes down to two choices: federal or state.

But Hillsborough Circuit Judge Richard Nielsen is being attacked by conservative bloggers after he ruled in a lawsuit March 3 that, to resolve one crucial issue in the case, he will consult a different source.

"This case," the judge wrote, "will proceed under Ecclesiastical Islamic Law."

St Petersberg Times

Don't know how much of this I am allowed to post on AFF.

Been Thinkin

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Here it 'tis!

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership

By William R. Levesque, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Tuesday, March 22, 2011

TAMPA — The question of what law applies in any Florida courtroom usually comes down to two choices: federal or state.

But Hillsborough Circuit Judge Richard Nielsen is being attacked by conservative bloggers after he ruled in a lawsuit March 3 that, to resolve one crucial issue in the case, he will consult a different source.

"This case," the judge wrote, "will proceed under Ecclesiastical Islamic Law."

St Petersberg Times

Don't know how much of this I am allowed to post on AFF.

Been Thinkin

It's not very detailed. My first thought is that the judge should not try to judge what any religion teaches. Other than that I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with him doing what he is doing.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It's not very detailed. My first thought is that the judge should not try to judge what any religion teaches. Other than that I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with him doing what he is doing.

jfrog, you really can't say you are wrong on anything can you. Google "Sharia Law in the court room in Florida" and read to your hearts content and see if you agree with all of that. You probably will. I mentioned last night about enjoying some of your Theological posting but, honestly friend, your arguing on these two issue is pathetic. Forgive me for being so blunt but I'm tired of disagreeing with someone who just goes on and on taking such flimsy positions. Oh well, that's just my opinion, for whatever it's worth. (WORTH NOTHING??? Okay!) Goodnight!

Been Thinkin ..... but tired of it.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It's not very detailed. My first thought is that the judge should not try to judge what any religion teaches. Other than that I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with him doing what he is doing.

What Obama is doing is not very detailed and you accept it with pride!

Been Thinkin

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'd have to know the specifics of the case.

Here are my opinions of the Sharia Law case in Florida:

comments by TheSSBlock at http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/fl...lamic-law.html

This isn't the imposition of Islamic Law per se. Arbitration agreements (contracts) between parties are regularly taken to Civil Courts for enforcement in cases of dispute. Parties who agree to arbitrate have willingly chosen a method of dispute resolution outside of the court system. Arbitrators do not have to follow state or federal laws in making their decisions - or any recognized law at all.

Although not truly unlimited, if two parties agree to arbitrate their disputes, for all intents and purposes, they can bind themselves to an outcome under almost any system of law, of any religion, or any procedure. Unless a party can show fraud, duress, or coercion, an arbitration agreement functions like any contract which a court must uphold so long as it is clear, unambiguous, and freely negotiated. Consequently, a party may also have a cause of action in questioning the neutrality of the arbitrator or if no meaningful procedure was followed to guarantee a just result.

Upholding Islamic law agreed upon through arbitration is not really a problem. A problem would arise however, if, absent any agreement, the court attempted to invoke Islamic law on its own initiative, which of course it is not permitted to do.

I am going to hazard a guess that there is a contract involved here. If there was no contract, there would be no basis for arbitration. Moreover, according to the order, arbitration has already been concluded. The order is enforcing the award.

If the owners wanted to dispute settled by Florida Law:

1) They would not have signed a contract to arbitrate pursuant to Islamic law.
2) They would not have went through the process of arbitration.

In a strict sense, this dispute is settled by secular Florida law - the law which recognizes that freely negotiated contracts between parties must be enforced.

Do I think Sharia law is appropriate? No.
Would I enter into an arbitration agreement implicating Sharia law as the method of resolving disputes? No.

Nonetheless, if the parties did, it really only seems to be a case of a party that had a case resolved against their interests and then attempted to shirk on their contractual obligations.

*These opinions did not originate with me but with TheSSBlock. I agree with them.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Here are my opinions of the Sharia Law case in Florida:

comments by TheSSBlock at http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/fl...lamic-law.html

*These opinions did not originate with me but with TheSSBlock. I agree with them.

Jewish law - Halacha - is also implemented is some cases in our US courts.

The underlying principle is that American law provides parties to contracts being able to provide alternative dispute resolutions, such as, arbitration.

If a contract references foreign law to be resolved, we do provide that the contractual disputes can reference foreign law, as long as, it is clearly expressed in the contract. Same for any secular or religious rules. They are treated fairly, as long as, there are not any extraordinary circumstances that make the contract unfair.