Obama NOT natural born American Citizen

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by canam

Pel, it doesnt matter that he was born of an american mother, or if he was born here,he gets his gift of citizenship from daddy a kenyan/british subject,at the time, HE ISNT NATURAL BORN now back to the fake, fake, fake, BC, hit this link from an expert,you cant fool these guys, this was assembled on a computer and scanned after.Read it, watch and weep Pel. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d4_1303980343

Canam. You're not comprehending at least part of pel's very logical point.

Even if you and other birthers are correct about Obama, it's a losing battle. If the next campaign is wasted with people screeching about the birth certificate, OBAMA will be re-elected. Or, at the very least, a conservative will NOT be.

See if you can understand this:

If something is perceived by MOST people as being loopy, and you align yourself with it, most people will see you as loopy. Fine, if you're an individual citizen simply wanting to be heard. However, if you're interested in getting BHO out of the White House and a conservative in, you'll be smart and focus on something that EVERYONE ELSE will perceive as a rational, logical argument. And encourage everyone else you know who has a similar goal to do the same.

Did that make sense? Or do I need to further simplify?

[canam]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Canam. You're not comprehending at least part of pel's very logical point.

Even if you and other birthers are correct about Obama, it's a losing battle. If the next campaign is wasted with people screeching about the birth certificate, OBAMA will be re-elected. Or, at the very least, a conservative will NOT be.

See if you can understand this:

If something is perceived by MOST people as being loopy, and you align yourself with it, most people will see you as loopy. Fine, if you're an individual citizen simply wanting to be heard. However, if you're interested in getting BHO out of the White House and a conservative in, you'll be smart and focus on something that EVERYONE ELSE will perceive as a rational, logical argument. And encourage everyone else you know who has a similar goal to do the same.

Did that make sense? Or do I need to further simplify?

I see both of your points, but the constitution is important and its been violated ,why wait for the election? start the impeachment proceedings and remove him.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by canam

I see both of your points, but the constitution is important and its been violated ,why wait for the election? start the impeachment proceedings and remove him.

When I joined the Pentecostal church, i signed a waiver to hold people harmless for being called "loopy"

I see a a civil war between the loopees and loopers.

[Esther]

http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/...sg_share_video

This is a very interesting explaination as to why the BC released is not an original document.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by canam

I see both of your points, but the constitution is important and its been violated ,why wait for the election? start the impeachment proceedings and remove him.

I agree.

I think we should also bombard his poor decision making issues. I am not a politician and don't play their games.

To "me" it seems it is more important to prove he was not eligible to be POTUS and reverse all he has done. Also, put in steps to keep this from happening again.

But I also agree with Pel I think that is who mentioned, the timing of this release was planned. We need to ask why now? Is this a red herring sent to divert us from the real issues we need to be focusing on?

[Praxeas]

Ever hear of "Anchor Baby"? Even the children of illegals born here are natural born citizens. OB has at least one legal citizen as his parent

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ever hear of "Anchor Baby"? Even the children of illegals born here are natural born citizens. OB has at least one legal citizen as his parent

That's what I thought! Even children born on US soil to parents without citizenship in the US are US citizens, from birth. He was born on US soil, to an American mother. He's a natural born citizen.

[Walks_in_islam]

Good grief. 1862 law?

WAIT: Maybe he was born in Hawaii on one of those big plantations. If you apply the 3/5 "plantation" rule from 1782 then Obama actually lost the election anyway Subtract 8% of the vote from Obama's side and we have a clear winner.

BUT: The winner was born in Panama. OOPS. Not a natural born citizen under the cited 1862 definition either.

Why dont you crazy birther nuts try working that one out.

In the meantime for the sane among us the law is not unclear and is very, very specific.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

CURRENT law defines the missing terms and sets "natural born" = "citizenship at birth" then specifically defines what constitutes "citizenship at birth".

Please read current law, detemine that the president falls under no category of current law and come back with a valid argument. Current law says "parent", not "parents".

If you are a US citizen, married to a non-US citizen, working in a 3rd country and have a child, your child is not a citizen of that 3rd country because he/she was born there. Your child is a US citizen from birth, AND a citizen of the country of birth of the other parent. As a US citizen from birth, your child can, if he/she wishes, someday run for the thankless job of President.

Dont like that? Run for office and change the law. Good luck.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ever hear of "Anchor Baby"? Even the children of illegals born here are natural born citizens. OB has at least one legal citizen as his parent

That is true, but in complying with the office of President it says "parents" plural.

Seems to me that makes a difference.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esther

That is true, but in complying with the office of President it says "parents" plural.

Seems to me that makes a difference.

Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepre...resrequire.htm

Additionally, the Twelfth Amendment states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." The Fourteenth Amendment does not use the phrase "natural born citizen". It does provide that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural..._United_States

The presidency does NOT require both parents be US citizens if he is a natural born citizen (born here)