Well JD it's great that you finally got over "blaming Bush!" But if Obama had kept his word we wouldn't even be in that area. Everybody would be back home and we would be probably dodging terrorists bombings daily.
Yep! Mr Pannetta was so good he's being moved on to something else.
Let me see if I understand this. All the intel that they used has been totally discovered since Obama came into office. Nothing was gathered during any of the time Bush was in office?
Did they gather any info from the prisoners in Gitmo? Who put the prisoners in Gitmo? If Obama had had his way there wouldn't be any prisoners in Gitmo to gather info from.
Go ahead and drink your lemonade, JD. And support your man! (I know you're supposedly Republican...but who could tell?)
Been Thinkin
How do you guys make this stuff up? Obama has been consistently saying that he wants to focus on the war on terror, and to that end he was scaling back in Iraq (which he saw as a distraction from the real war on terror) and focusing on the Afghan/Pakistan area. He has always called for increased presence and activity in Afghanistan and Pakistan as that represented a larger, real danger to us.
I think it just weakens arguments on either side when you just revise history and throw it out there. I'm just standing up to point it out because very few people here will because I guess it would involve crossing the party line in some way.
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How do you guys make this stuff up? Obama has been consistently saying that he wants to focus on the war on terror, and to that end he was scaling back in Iraq (which he saw as a distraction from the real war on terror) and focusing on the Afghan/Pakistan area. He has always called for increased presence and activity in Afghanistan and Pakistan as that represented a larger, real danger to us.
I think it just weakens arguments on either side when you just revise history and throw it out there. I'm just standing up to point it out because very few people here will because I guess it would involve crossing the party line in some way.
So Stew, please tell me when Obama became a war president! I seem to remember his criticism of Bush and all of the wars as he was trying to get elected. Now that he's in the saddle he's decided he likes the horse he's riding. Doesn't want to get his rear end bucked off. Obama is the Magna Cum Laude of politicians. He should have got a "Piece Prize" for being so many pieces for so many puzzles in which he wasn't even a part of.
Take up for him. And as far as history goes, look back in a few years and you'll find out what history does for him. Of course, he probably will rewrite history himself. It doesn't matter to him what he says.
Been Thinkin
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So Stew, please tell me when Obama became a war president! I seem to remember his criticism of Bush and all of the wars as he was trying to get elected. Now that he's in the saddle he's decided he likes the horse he's riding. Doesn't want to get his rear end bucked off. Obama is the Magna Cum Laude of politicians. He should have got a "Piece Prize" for being so many pieces for so many puzzles in which he wasn't even a part of.
Take up for him. And as far as history goes, look back in a few years and you'll find out what history does for him. Of course, he probably will rewrite history himself. It doesn't matter to him what he says.
Been Thinkin
Been, it's not about taking up for anybody, but truth is just truth...no matter who you are talking about. His entire approach to the war on terror has been consistently that we should focus on the Afghan/Pakistan area. His pledge was to send more troops to those areas, strengthen our working relationships with the governments (Pakistan in particular), and put more resources on the ground.
If I remember correctly, soldiers and commanders on the ground at the time were talking about how they felt under supported in Afghanistan and it was largely due to our focus in Iraq. Obama ran on the concept of pulling back in Iraq while simultaneously focusing on Afghanistan and Pakistan and rooting out the real terror networks there.
This is not ancient history, we heard that platform just a few years ago. You don't have to be a fan of someone to be truthful about what they said. My blood pressure goes up in these conversations because it seems like truth takes a backseat to all the other considerations. That's why I keep promising myself I'll stay out
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Been, it's not about taking up for anybody, but truth is just truth...no matter who you are talking about. His entire approach to the war on terror has been consistently that we should focus on the Afghan/Pakistan area. His pledge was to send more troops to those areas, strengthen our working relationships with the governments (Pakistan in particular), and put more resources on the ground.
If I remember correctly, soldiers and commanders on the ground at the time were talking about how they felt under supported in Afghanistan and it was largely due to our focus in Iraq. Obama ran on the concept of pulling back in Iraq while simultaneously focusing on Afghanistan and Pakistan and rooting out the real terror networks there.
This is not ancient history, we heard that platform just a few years ago. You don't have to be a fan of someone to be truthful about what they said. My blood pressure goes up in these conversations because it seems like truth takes a backseat to all the other considerations. That's why I keep promising myself I'll stay out
Don't let the pressure get you! It'll all come out in the wash! It would appear though that two individuals who hear the same thing, don't hear the same thing. My problem with Obama is I don't hear probably as much as I should because I'm simply tired of what all he has said and then didn't do! I do not consider him a truthful president. Google Obama lies and you'll be amazed at the total number of documented lies he has told. And if only 1/2 of the lies prove to be truly lies it's way tooooooooo many!
I have a big time putting up with liars. When a person lies to me, about the second lie I have a hard time believing anything they say!
Did he not make some big statements about even pulling troops out of Afgh? It's really hard to keep up with what he has said and what he wanted you to think he said.
Been Thinkin
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
Don't let the pressure get you! It'll all come out in the wash! It would appear though that two individuals who hear the same thing, don't hear the same thing. My problem with Obama is I don't hear probably as much as I should because I'm simply tired of what all he has said and then didn't do! I do not consider him a truthful president. Google Obama lies and you'll be amazed at the total number of documented lies he has told. And if only 1/2 of the lies prove to be truly lies it's way tooooooooo many!
I have a big time putting up with liars. When a person lies to me, about the second lie I have a hard time believing anything they say!
Did he not make some big statements about even pulling troops out of Afgh? It's really hard to keep up with what he has said and what he wanted you to think he said.
Been Thinkin
Well then I can't think of a major player in the political game that you should believe...sorry. LOL.
However, the President been clear and consistent on at least this one subject. I know for a fact because it made a lot of sense to me. Refocusing the war on terror was a part of his platform and increasing our presence in the Afghan/Pakistan area was central to that. In keeping with that, just one month after his inauguration, he sent 17,000 additional troops (diverting some from Iraq).
Does this mean I think he is the greatest man in the world? No. But let's at least be truthful in our discussions of matters of importance...and do something about the partisan blinders...
Now let me get out of here before PO comes back breathing out threatenings and slaughter.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Well then I can't think of a major player in the political game that you should believe...sorry. LOL.
However, the President been clear and consistent on at least this one subject. I know for a fact because it made a lot of sense to me. Refocusing the war on terror was a part of his platform and increasing our presence in the Afghan/Pakistan area was central to that. In keeping with that, just one month after his inauguration, he sent 17,000 additional troops (diverting some from Iraq).
Does this mean I think he is the greatest man in the world? No. But let's at least be truthful in our discussions of matters of importance...and do something about the partisan blinders... Now let me get out of here before PO comes back breathing out threatenings and slaughter.
Well then I can't think of a major player in the political game that you should believe...sorry. LOL.
However, the President been clear and consistent on at least this one subject. I know for a fact because it made a lot of sense to me. Refocusing the war on terror was a part of his platform and increasing our presence in the Afghan/Pakistan area was central to that. In keeping with that, just one month after his inauguration, he sent 17,000 additional troops (diverting some from Iraq).
Does this mean I think he is the greatest man in the world? No. But let's at least be truthful in our discussions of matters of importance...and do something about the partisan blinders...
Now let me get out of here before PO comes back breathing out threatenings and slaughter.
The President has been pressing things forward in Afghanistan and he has a good team with Panetta and Gen. Petraeus. I think where a lot of people take umbrage is that this whole operation in the works since last August to get bin Laden was opened up because of intelligence gathered at Gitmo and through water boarding.
These were two of the strongest things that candidate Barack Obama had denounced during the campaign. His insinuations and the outright (false) accusations of "torture" by his supporters really made the U.S. military and intelligence communities look bad.
And now? Now he wants to take credit for the fruit of Gitmo interrogations.
It's obvious that the President has been learning "on the job." That's okay. What I want to know is if his most vocal supporters have been learning as well.
And BTW (Stewie didn't raise this, but others have) - If getting involved in Iraq was "wrong" and a "diversion" away from what we really should be doing... just what, then, are we doing in Libya?
I guess "Regime Change" is okay after all? Code Pink? Michael Moore? CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC/HuffPo/NYTimes/WashPost?
The President has been pressing things forward in Afghanistan and he has a good team with Panetta and Gen. Petraeus. I think where a lot of people take umbrage is that this whole operation in the works since last August to get bin Laden was opened up because of intelligence gathered at Gitmo and through water boarding.
These were two of the strongest things that candidate Barack Obama had denounced during the campaign. His insinuations and the outright (false) accusations of "torture" by his supporters really made the U.S. military and intelligence communities look bad.
And now? Now he wants to take credit for the fruit of Gitmo interrogations.
It's obvious that the President has been learning "on the job." That's okay. What I want to know is if his most vocal supporters have been learning as well.
And BTW (Stewie didn't raise this, but others have) - If getting involved in Iraq was "wrong" and a "diversion" away from what we really should be doing... just what, then, are we doing in Libya?
I guess "Regime Change" is okay after all? Code Pink? Michael Moore? CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC/HuffPo/NYTimes/WashPost?
Good post Pel. You said it better than I could have ever said it.
BT
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
The President has been pressing things forward in Afghanistan and he has a good team with Panetta and Gen. Petraeus. I think where a lot of people take umbrage is that this whole operation in the works since last August to get bin Laden was opened up because of intelligence gathered at Gitmo and through water boarding.
These were two of the strongest things that candidate Barack Obama had denounced during the campaign. His insinuations and the outright (false) accusations of "torture" by his supporters really made the U.S. military and intelligence communities look bad.
And now? Now he wants to take credit for the fruit of Gitmo interrogations.
It's obvious that the President has been learning "on the job." That's okay. What I want to know is if his most vocal supporters have been learning as well.
And BTW (Stewie didn't raise this, but others have) - If getting involved in Iraq was "wrong" and a "diversion" away from what we really should be doing... just what, then, are we doing in Libya?
I guess "Regime Change" is okay after all? Code Pink? Michael Moore? CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC/HuffPo/NYTimes/WashPost?
My whole point is that if that is the issue, then discuss that. It is pointless when people introduce whatever particular propaganda they like even when it flies in the face of facts. That is the problem with modern day politics and all the spin machines and outlets on both sides IMO.
Is it possible that Obama had very little to do with this? I guess. Is it possible that his vastly increasing the focus on operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan and strengthening our relationships there had a hand in this? I guess that's possible too. Is it possible that this is all a scam and that Osama has either been dead or is sipping margaritas on some private beach on our dime? Anything's possible.
I'm not sure that you can even begin to compare the scope of our involvement and loss in Iraq to what happened in Libya. Either way I guess I'll go with it for the sake of conversation. Taking out Saddam out of power (which took 15 minutes) is not where a lot of people had problems. It was our continued involvement and our effort to somehow win something that is more than likely unwinnable that turned most people off who I've heard. The resources that we were expending there were too great in terms of human life, but also in terms of resources that would have been better served if focused on those who actually were attacking us.
Either way, I'm still not sure I'm ready to compare Libya to Iraq just yet. Get back with me in 10 years or so
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