Is It Wrong To Call Jesus Yeshua?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Thats what the Baptists say about the Pentecostals. Thats what the Pentecostals say about the Apostolics.

This is different. I think you know it is different. Baptists vs. Pentecostals are not the same as people who insist on using Hebrew names.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Agreed. And if MTD does not think it is wrong to say JESUS, then why not get away from the appearance of that and say Jesus as much as Yehshua?

Mike,

I have been talking to you on the internet since 2000. I have possibly addressed you as much as anyone. You should know that this is already true. I am on record on this Forum using the name of Jesus probably thousands of times.

I sure cant figure WHY people think one is some elitist or WIERD as ab says just because you want to ALSO call Jesus by the name his mother, friends, and apostles called him by.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

This is different. I think you know it is different. Baptists vs. Pentecostals are not the same as people who insist on using Hebrew names.

No it is not different at all. I use Hebrew names. I have NEVER told anyone here that THEY should.

And yet almost every time I use the name Yeshua someone if not more than one person ridicules it.

So ON THAT BASIS I would say it is YOU ALL who are ELITISTS! Think about it. Here you and at least one other in the last two days telling me NOT to call the Messiah Yeshua but I must call him Jesus!

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It only concerns me because often those that use it are the same ones that insist it's wrong to say "Jesus"

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

[Michael The Disciple]

Why is it wrong for me to call Jesus Yeshua but its ok to call the English word LORD, YAHWEH? Is it elitist to call the English word LORD....YAHWEH?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NorCal

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

It is not Jesus in Greek. Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek. So you feel that the name the Messiah was born with sanctioned by Gabriel the Angel is lost? So the Lord lost his own name? The one that is above every name? The only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved?

Oh ok it just got lost.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why is it wrong for me to call Jesus Yeshua but its ok to call the English word LORD, YAHWEH? Is it elitist to call the English word LORD....YAHWEH?

One is using a substitute of a name out of respect for him. LORD instead of YHVH.
The other, is using a "translation" of a different language then your own.

When you switch languages, you are implying that it MUST BE the correct usage.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NorCal

One is using a substitute of a name out of respect for him. LORD instead of YHVH.
The other, is using a "translation" of a different language then your own.

When you switch languages, you are implying that it MUST BE the correct usage.

Ok LORD is a substitute name for YAHWEH and not in any way shape or form his name and its ok to call him that?

So then if someone DARES come out the the box and call YAHWEH by his own name would they not be AN ELITIST according to you all?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NorCal

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

I disagree. His name was not lost. Yeshua was a common name back then. We've even discovered archeological evidence of the Aramaic Yeshua in use during that time.

Etymologically Jesus comes from the Latin Iesus. That comes from the Greek Iesous. That etymologically comes from the Aramaic Yeshua

Yeshua means Yahweh saves...so does Iesous

In the LXX, written before Jesus was born, the Greek Iesous was used for Yeshua (Joshua)

18 sn The Greek form of the name Iēsous, which was translated into Latin as Jesus, is the same as the Hebrew Yeshua (Joshua), which means “Yahweh saves” (Yahweh is typically rendered as “Lord” in the OT). It was a fairly common name among Jews in 1st century Palestine, as references to a number of people by this name in the LXX and Josephus indicate.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Mt 1:21). Biblical Studies Press.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

No it is not different at all. I use Hebrew names. I have NEVER told anyone here that THEY should.

And yet almost every time I use the name Yeshua someone if not more than one person ridicules it.

So ON THAT BASIS I would say it is YOU ALL who are ELITISTS! Think about it. Here you and at least one other in the last two days telling me NOT to call the Messiah Yeshua but I must call him Jesus!

No lying, please. I have consistently aid IT appears, and you ignore that emphasis every time. You are not getting it. APPEARS means it may not be the case, but you come across a certain way. See now?

It takes effort to do what you are doing. Everyone pretty well uses JESUS, and when you do not it makes everyone think you are protesting something whether you are or not. And the biblical way is to abandon such a position if it is influencing people the negative way if there really is no difference in it. It's like refusing to eat meat while the world stands if it offends someone. I AM NOT OFFENDED NOR BOTHERED IN THE LEAST. Got it this time? It's just that I know how you ARE COMING ACROSS. So if there really is no difference to you, then stop doing what raises attention. Simple.