Is It Wrong To Call Jesus Yeshua?

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It only concerns me because often those that use it are the same ones that insist it's wrong to say "Jesus"

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NorCal

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

It is not Jesus in Greek. Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek. So you feel that the name the Messiah was born with sanctioned by Gabriel the Angel is lost? So the Lord lost his own name? The one that is above every name? The only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved?

Oh ok it just got lost.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is not Jesus in Greek. Jesus is the English transliteration of the Greek. So you feel that the name the Messiah was born with sanctioned by Gabriel the Angel is lost? So the Lord lost his own name? The one that is above every name? The only name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved?

Oh ok it just got lost.

Now it comes out! THIS is the issue at long last. THAT is why we NOW believe you are wrong. It DOES matter to you. Your whole concept of the proper pronunciation from a certain language is based upon insistence that the NAME be not lost, which is not the case whatsoever. It is yet another example of OUTWARD EMPHASIS -- something the flesh can relate to in terms of sound waves or ink on paper or pixels on screens.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Now it comes out! THIS is the issue at long last. THAT is why we NOW believe you are wrong. It DOES matter to you. Your whole concept of the proper pronunciation from a certain language is based upon insistence that the NAME be not lost, which is not the case whatsoever. It is yet another example of OUTWARD EMPHASIS -- something the flesh can relate to in terms of sound waves or ink on paper or pixels on screens.

What??? Did I ever say it did not matter to me? I doubt it. I probably said what I have always said that it is by no means wrong to call Yeshua by his English name Jesus. Obviously it matters to me to call him by his original name best as we can discern it.

Actually its not based on that the name cannot be lost its based on THERE WAS A NAME. A name given by Gabriel the Archangel from YHWH for the naming of his Son. It was not an English name. It was not a Greek name. It was a Hebrew/Aramaic name.

When he was on Earth his friends and family called him by it. The Apostles preached it and prayed to him through it. Peter said there was no other name whereby we must be saved.

Thats the point. Its important to YHWH.

As a side issue it certainly would be ridiculous to think that the greatest man who ever lived who himself was YHWH manifest in the flesh would allow the New Testament Church to forget or lose his name.

We know the name of Abraham dont we? How about Moses or Noah? They were much further back in time than Yeshua. Yet he who was far greater than them has somehow lost his name or does not care if anyone knows it or not.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What??? Did I ever say it did not matter to me? I doubt it. I probably said what I have always said that it is by no means wrong to call Yeshua by his English name Jesus. Obviously it matters to me to call him by his original name best as we can discern it.

Actually its not based on that the name cannot be lost its based on THERE WAS A NAME. A name given by Gabriel the Archangel from YHWH for the naming of his Son. It was not an English name. It was not a Greek name. It was a Hebrew/Aramaic name.

When he was on Earth his friends and family called him by it. The Apostles preached it and prayed to him through it. Peter said there was no other name whereby we must be saved.

Thats the point. Its important to YHWH.

As a side issue it certainly would be ridiculous to think that the greatest man who ever lived who himself was YHWH manifest in the flesh would allow the New Testament Church to forget or lose his name.

We know the name of Abraham dont we? How about Moses or Noah? They were much further back in time than Yeshua. Yet he who was far greater than them has somehow lost his name or does not care if anyone knows it or not.

Hebrew is no more holy than any other language in and of itself as a language. The only reason God gave the name in whatever language He gave it by the angel is because that is the only language Mary knew. And the bible does nto say the angel spoke in Hebrew. That is an assumption. They spoke Aramaic then. Nevertheless, the name in Hebrew is no more holy nor superior if in another language. Languages are fleshly things. The language is only meant to convey the thought or the truth so our minds can relate to that thought or truth. The pipeline of the language is not as vital by far as the contents flowing through the pipeline.

It MAKES NO DIFFERENCE if it is spoken in Hebrew or Swahili! Sound waves being lost do not matter at all. What matters is the identification by whatever word or name we use that points to the One True God. If a person cannot even talk and all they can do is point up in the air and their intention is to refer to the One True God, then that is as good as saying the Hebrew name.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NorCal

This.

My point is, that we only have 1 record of what it was. And that was Jesus (in Greek). His actual Hebraic name has been lost (un-recorded), but we ASSUME that it would be something of "Jehovah Saves" or "has become salvation".

I disagree. His name was not lost. Yeshua was a common name back then. We've even discovered archeological evidence of the Aramaic Yeshua in use during that time.

Etymologically Jesus comes from the Latin Iesus. That comes from the Greek Iesous. That etymologically comes from the Aramaic Yeshua

Yeshua means Yahweh saves...so does Iesous

In the LXX, written before Jesus was born, the Greek Iesous was used for Yeshua (Joshua)

18 sn The Greek form of the name Iēsous, which was translated into Latin as Jesus, is the same as the Hebrew Yeshua (Joshua), which means “Yahweh saves” (Yahweh is typically rendered as “Lord” in the OT). It was a fairly common name among Jews in 1st century Palestine, as references to a number of people by this name in the LXX and Josephus indicate.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Mt 1:21). Biblical Studies Press.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I disagree. His name was not lost. Yeshua was a common name back then. We've even discovered archeological evidence of the Aramaic Yeshua in use during that time.

Etymologically Jesus comes from the Latin Iesus. That comes from the Greek Iesous. That etymologically comes from the Aramaic Yeshua

Yeshua means Yahweh saves...so does Iesous

In the LXX, written before Jesus was born, the Greek Iesous was used for Yeshua (Joshua)

18 sn The Greek form of the name Iēsous, which was translated into Latin as Jesus, is the same as the Hebrew Yeshua (Joshua), which means “Yahweh saves” (Yahweh is typically rendered as “Lord” in the OT). It was a fairly common name among Jews in 1st century Palestine, as references to a number of people by this name in the LXX and Josephus indicate.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Mt 1:21). Biblical Studies Press.

I believe I stated that in the "other thread" that got this one started.
Yeshua was not the only variation of "Yahweh Saves". That was my only point. There is no 100% proof that it was Yeshua and not Yehoshua. But we are 100% sure that it was the Greek name Iēsous.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NorCal

I believe I stated that in the "other thread" that got this one started.
Yeshua was not the only variation of "Yahweh Saves". That was my only point. There is no 100% proof that it was Yeshua and not Yehoshua. But we are 100% sure that it was the Greek name Iēsous.

And we are 100 percent sure it was not Jesus. Yeshua or Yehoshua would be closer than the English Jesus if someone cared.