Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

But this assumes the tree of life and living forever means physical and not spiritual OR...

Consider this..Adam and Eve would have died anyways. What kept them alive was regularly partaking of the Tree of Life? :-)

It has to be physical death involved as penalty either way, while we know spiritual death was involved. Follow the thought. It cannot be spiritual death God implied in removing Adam from the Garden, since Adam sinned and died spiritually in the moment he sinned already. The only alternative is like you said -- Adam was eating from the tree of life to remain physically alive. At any rate, physical death is the only conclusion we can say was the death God implied in removing Adam from the Garden.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Follow the thought. It cannot be spiritual death if Adam sinned and died spiritually in that moment already, when God said He had to remove Adam from the Garden. The only alternative is like you said -- Adam was eating from the tree of life to remain physically alive. At any rate, physical death is the only conclusion we can say was the death God implied in removing Adam from the Garden.

Adam died Spiritually. His penalty was to be removed from the Garden where the Tree of Life was.

Because he no longer had access to the Tree of Life he would die. He was already able to die already but the Tree of Life kept Him alive.

That is why God says

Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

They died before God booted them from the garden

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Adam died Spiritually. His penalty was to be removed from the Garden where the Tree of Life was.

Because he no longer had access to the Tree of Life he would die. He was already able to die already but the Tree of Life kept Him alive.

That is why God says

Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

They died before God booted them from the garden

They died spiritually the moment they sinned, yes. before they left the Garden. But removal from the Garden was not for them to die in a way they already experienced. lol. The removal from the Garden is SOLELY for physical death. But I see your point in how you could say they would still physically die before sin, although I disagree.

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I doubt very much they had to keep eating the fruit of life before sin to stay physically alive. Jesus resurrected from the dead after dying a physical death for our sins. Death has no more dominion over him. This shall happen to us. And it is a restoration of what Adam lost. Why would a physical death pay for our sins if we only died spiritually due to sin? I believe they had not touched the fruit of life before they sinned. It seems satan had to get the forbidden fruit in them before the fruit of life. imho.