Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by acerrak

you need to go back and look up the scripturtes we have been debating over since the beginning of the topic. it will shed light on what we are talking about.

pretty much every one here except for one agrees we are not born with sin, Its done been discussed. considering the other scriptures use we do have a sinful nature. How ever that doesn mean we are born with Sin.

So when some one says reformed. the idea is the original sin doctrine that pops in my mind, which were not really discussing.

Every person in the world will eventually will sin, permitted they grow. The only one who never did was Jesus.

However everyone baby that is born has a sinful nature. that doesnt mean its born with sin, it means the baby at some point in time permitted to grow will sin. you cannot disagree with that statement.

already read everything and nothing new. The bolded part is not even remotely close to the usage of "nature." Thus why your whole usage is wrong.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

already read everything and nothing new. The bolded part is not even remotely close to the usage of "nature." Thus why your whole usage is wrong.

nature descibes the activities of humans. and humans sin, infact only one human never sinned.

So nature in that respect is used correctly.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by acerrak

nature descibes the activities of humans. and humans sin, infact only one human never sinned.

So nature in that respect is used correctly.

Man can develop a sinful nature or mindset. He is not born with it. Will man fall into sin as you said? So far the answer is yes. did Adam and Eve have a sinful nature from the beginning according to this "scope of meaning?" Yes they did. That though is really stretching how the term "nature" is used. Having the ability to does not mean one has or as yoru point one is guilty of. Failing once in a while does not mean the whole is dominated by some "sinful nature." Does man have a tendency considering the overall condition? Yes and Adam and Eve faced that as well. Adam and Eve did not have a divine nature imparted to them as a counter balance to evil. THey had reasoning of conscious which is a gift of God to do or not.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Man can develop a sinful nature or mindset. He is not born with it. Will man fall into sin as you said? So far the answer is yes. did Adam and Eve have a sinful nature from the beginning according to this "scope of meaning?" Yes they did. That though is really strwetching how the term "nature" is used. Having the ability to does not mean one has or as yoru point one is guilty of. Failing once in a while does not mean the whole is dominated by some "sinful nature." Does man have a tendency considering the overall condition? Yes and Adam and Eve faced that as well. Adam and Eve did not have a divine nature imparted to them as a counter balance to evil. THey had reasoning of conscious which is a gift of God to do or not.

ok Buddy its your turn to answer these questions. Because me aquilla and prax all had the similiar answers now. ill qoute from jacobs ladder what he asked us.

and since you want in on the topic you can do the same, i will wait for your respeonce

From Jacobs ladder
Please solely answer the two questions only. Thank you.


Psalms 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners; even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.

Please describe David's comment of "people are born sinners."


David states in Psalms 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

What did David mean by "I was sinful at birth?'

i await your responce