Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[Austin]

One commandment!!! Could not even keep one commandment! If they did or did not have a sinful nature then what in truth was wrong with them that they could not even keep one simple easy commandment.

Do you possibly think that maybe Satan knew something that we can't seem to resolved? Maybe he saw something in them that we don't see! You think.

Come on, just one commandment, I could do that one when I was lost in the world and never thought about God. If he would have appeared to me in that way it would have been enough to keep me not only away from that tree , but after seeing him I probably would have, just to have stayed on his good side, stayed away from all the trees, if fact I would not have even gone into the forest in the first place.

One, just one simple rule and they couldn't even do that. Something was way far wrong in them somewhere.. May be they were mentally challenged or was having a bad day after tending the garden. They could have had a lovers quarrel. Maybe it was one of those days when Adam was to manly and bossy and Eve didn't like it so she just was under some post stress thing

There has to be a logical reason behind it as we see it today. With all the knowledge we have in understanding the human nature of people there had to be something they had experienced to make them do that. Maybe! they weren't perfect in some way like we aren't perfect in some ways.

I wonder in what way are we not perfect? Maybe we just can't resist sin because it's too tempting. Maybe they didn't take God serious because after all, he was around from the beginning and was common for them to see him. Maybe they took him for granted and really didn't believe that he meant what he said. If they didn't have a sinful nature in the spiritual ream then what was it in the natural ream.

Maybe that what's really wrong with the church today that is powerless. They are operating in the natural ream and not in the spiritual ream. Maybe it's because they don't think there is any need to change the spiritual ream of themselves, just get the word in their mind and believe on it and things will all come together.

After all, all we have to do is sit back and let God take care of everything, because he is in control and their is no responsibility toward us to do anything except enjoy.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Austin

One commandment!!! Could not even keep one commandment! If they did or did not have a sinful nature then what in truth was wrong with them that they could not even keep one simple easy commandment.

Do you possibly think that maybe Satan knew something that we can't seem to resolved? Maybe he saw something in them that we don't see! You think.

Come on, just one commandment, I could do that one when I was lost in the world and never thought about God. If he would have appeared to me in that way it would have been enough to keep me not only away from that tree , but after seeing him I probably would have, just to have stayed on his good side, stayed away from all the trees, if fact I would not have even gone into the forest in the first place.

One, just one simple rule and they couldn't even do that. Something was way far wrong in them somewhere.. May be they were mentally challenged or was having a bad day after tending the garden. They could have had a lovers quarrel. Maybe it was one of those days when Adam was to manly and bossy and Eve didn't like it so she just was under some post stress thing

There has to be a logical reason behind it as we see it today. With all the knowledge we have in understanding the human nature of people there had to be something they had experienced to make them do that. Maybe! they weren't perfect in some way like we aren't perfect in some ways.

I wonder in what way are we not perfect? Maybe we just can't resist sin because it's too tempting. Maybe they didn't take God serious because after all, he was around from the beginning and was common for them to see him. Maybe they took him for granted and really didn't believe that he meant what he said. If they didn't have a sinful nature in the spiritual ream then what was it in the natural ream.

Maybe that what's really wrong with the church today that is powerless. They are operating in the natural ream and not in the spiritual ream. Maybe it's because they don't think there is any need to change the spiritual ream of themselves, just get the word in their mind and believe on it and things will all come together.

After all, all we have to do is sit back and let God take care of everything, because he is in control and their is no responsibility toward us to do anything except enjoy.

Austin, consider this. Adam was not deceived. Eve was. Adam knew exactly what he was doing. There is more to meets the eye here. Adam did not want to lose Eve more than he wanted to serve God.

Adam was definitely perfect. He just made the wrong decision. After God made man He said it was VERY GOOD. Not just good.

Jesus had the same potential to sin as did Adam. He was tempted, but He sinned not. To be tempted means to have the desire to sin and to have sin appeal to sin. Was Jesus not perfect?

[Austin]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Austin, consider this. Adam was not deceived. Eve was. Adam knew exactly what he was doing. There is more to meets the eye here. Adam did not want to lose Eve more than he wanted to serve God.

Adam was definitely perfect. He just made the wrong decision. After God made man He said it was VERY GOOD. Not just good.

Jesus had the same potential to sin as did Adam. He was tempted, but He sinned not. To be tempted means to have the desire to sin and to have sin appeal to sin. Was Jesus not perfect?

First of all as your read my post you can see I'm being coy. I agree with what you said concerning Adam and you and I are on the same page with the nature of man which to us is proven by their weakness to simply keep one commandment and Adams weakness to be alone with God one more time.

They wanted to do the right thing because they both knew what was right and who God was. But in the same paradox today in modern religions, men also know what the right thing to do is. But in their efforts if they are not spiritually changed by the power of Jesus and have not received the gift of the Holy Ghost, they do not have the power to overcome sin and be lead by the spirit of truth.
My point to those who might think there is no change in the spiritual area of a human and yet profess to know God, my question is how commeth thou unto him?

But Mike on this subject of the Bible I think you and I along with the truth of the atonement are perfectly aligned with the teaching.