Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's a loaded question and no one with an ounce of brains would ever fall for it.

The truth is, infants are born with a "sin nature". This means that all human beings are predisposed to sinful behaviors. Now, while an infant has a "sin nature" (predisposition to sin) an infant hasn't technically "sinned" yet.

Eventually sinful actions will result from the child's sin nature. However, until the willfully sin, they are "sinless".

Aquila,

It's a simple question. Let me try make this question the easiest possible.

Babies are sinless, yes? Jesus came for the sinners, yes?

You said babies are born with a sin nature but technically are sinless above in your post, yes?

Here's the simple question.

Do babies profit from Jesus' coming while they're in an infancy (sinless) stage?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Aquila,

It's a simple question. Let me try make this question the easiest possible.

Babies are sinless, yes? Jesus came for the sinners, yes?

You said babies are born with a sin nature but technically are sinless above in your post, yes?

Here's the simple question.

Do babies profit from Jesus' coming while they're in an infancy (sinless) stage?

God created man and said it was Good, and im really not posting to you, since i know your not gonna answer. but this is for other viewers who have similiar question

When has the baby fallen out of Gods grace.

Adam and eve fell out of God's grace and into judgment when they sinned,
NOW when has a baby committed sin in order to be under the judgment of God?

If God formed the child and put the breathe of Life into it why would he several months later condem the baby to hell just because it didnt servive the first few months of its life.

again were did the baby go wrong and sin?

These are simple question that Jacobbs ladder cannot answer.

Sin is the breaking of the Law. again what Sin is the Child on trial for.

One must question what motive or how they belive that condeming babies to hell shows Gods love to his creation.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by acerrak

God created man and said it was Good

God created Adam and said it was good. God only said ONE man was good, Adam.

Civilization (us) came from Adam and Eve after their fall. Adam was no longer "good" when thy birthed civilization.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by acerrak

God created man and said it was Good, and im really not posting to you, since i know your not gonna answer. but this is for other viewers who have similiar question

When has the baby fallen out of Gods grace.

Adam and eve fell out of God's grace and into judgment when they sinned,
NOW when has a baby committed sin in order to be under the judgment of God?

If God formed the child and put the breathe of Life into it why would he several months later condem the baby to hell just because it didnt servive the first few months of its life.

again were did the baby go wrong and sin?

These are simple question that Jacobbs ladder cannot answer.

Sin is the breaking of the Law. again what Sin is the Child on trial for.

One must question what motive or how they belive that condeming babies to hell shows Gods love to his creation.

The think the confusion here stems from our struggle to understand what it means to be born with a "sin nature" and "sin" itself.

Do babies have a "sin nature"? Yes.
Have babies "sinned"? No.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The think the confusion here stems from our struggle to understand what it means to be born with a "sin nature" and "sin" itself.

Do babies have a "sin nature"? Yes.
Have babies "sinned"? No.

Right. Babies are also born with a human nature but that does not mean at 6 months they know as much as a 20 year old does..they are born with the ability to learn

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Right. Babies are also born with a human nature but that does not mean at 6 months they know as much as a 20 year old does..they are born with the ability to learn

The ability to learn? If humanity is born sinless and has the ability to learn, why aren't there some who have remained in the state of sinless? I mean, everyone seems to have the "ability" to learn sin, yet nobody has the "ability" to learn how to remain sinless? It just seems if we're born in a sinless state, we ought to be able to remain in that sinless state.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

The ability to learn?

Yes Humans are born with that ability, even those that are born mentally deficient have the capacity to learn, though diminished. The point here was to show that merely having a that ability does not make someone at 6 months a brainiac. Same goes for having "the sin nature"...does not mean someone at 6 months is a sinner

If humanity is born sinless and has the ability to learn, why aren't there some who have remained in the state of sinless?

Same reason why some remain in a state of never having learned a single thing. It's part of their nature. Unless someone has no brain, is dead or born in a coma etc etc, they will go on and learn something because that is part of their nature

I mean, everyone seems to have the "ability" to learn sin, yet nobody has the "ability" to learn how to remain sinless? It just seems if we're born in a sinless state, we ought to be able to remain in that sinless state.

Having the Sin nature does not give anyone the ability to learn how to be sinless.

Having the Sin nature means a person has in innate property about being human that like learning or some other feature of being an adult, kicks in some somewhere in a person's life

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes Humans are born with that ability, even those that are born mentally deficient have the capacity to learn, though diminished. The point here was to show that merely having a that ability does not make someone at 6 months a brainiac. Same goes for having "the sin nature"...does not mean someone at 6 months is a sinner


Same reason why some remain in a state of never having learned a single thing. It's part of their nature. Unless someone has no brain, is dead or born in a coma etc etc, they will go on and learn something because that is part of their nature


Having the Sin nature does not give anyone the ability to learn how to be sinless.

Having the Sin nature means a person has in innate property about being human that like learning or some other feature of being an adult, kicks in some somewhere in a person's life

Prax are we then born with a sin nature or sin potential due to our environment?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

The ability to learn? If humanity is born sinless and has the ability to learn, why aren't there some who have remained in the state of sinless? I mean, everyone seems to have the "ability" to learn sin, yet nobody has the "ability" to learn how to remain sinless? It just seems if we're born in a sinless state, we ought to be able to remain in that sinless state.

Ahem... Present!

Lol!

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

The ability to learn? If humanity is born sinless and has the ability to learn, why aren't there some who have remained in the state of sinless? I mean, everyone seems to have the "ability" to learn sin, yet nobody has the "ability" to learn how to remain sinless? It just seems if we're born in a sinless state, we ought to be able to remain in that sinless state.

Theres but One was born and remained sinless throughout His lifetime. And that, of course, was Jesus. The difference in Jesus and the rest of humanity is that he was born as the very image (nature) of God, the very manifestation of God on the earth, He was was born for a particular purpose- the redemption of mankind. He was without sin because He was the product of a spiritual union between His mother (flesh) and the Holy Ghost (Spirit).
He was literally "Born of God" and, perhaps because He didn't have a human freewill, He did not have the ability to commit sin. Sure He was tempted to sin, but not because he had a sinful nature, but because it is the devils nature to tempt God creation.