Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So the question is, is this force the "sin nature" that is the issue here?

i dont think adam had a sin nature or a fallen nature before he ate the fruit.
So i dont think this was a force. But again He was not compelled until the woman offered it to him.

this may be a case of deception and not the force, (but just in this case) Cause they really didnt know what sin was. They had no knowledge of Good and evil.

So i would say for them no, but once they were put out of the garden i believe this force grew, and ofcource this force is to appease the lustful desires of the flesh.

So after the fall i say Yes, but before the Fall i say No.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by acerrak

i dont think adam had a sin nature or a fallen nature before he ate the fruit.
So i dont think this was a force. But again He was not compelled until the woman offered it to him.

this may be a case of deception and not the force, (but just in this case) Cause they really didnt know what sin was. They had no knowledge of Good and evil.

So i would say for them no, but once they were put out of the garden i believe this force grew, and ofcource this force is to appease the lustful desires of the flesh.

So after the fall i say Yes, but before the Fall i say No.

I agree. What do you think about man being BORN with this force in him since the fall?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree. What do you think about man being BORN with this force in him since the fall?

well i like you agree we are born innocent, but i think if you stuck a baby in the perfect family so to speak , and the perfect life, when that child grows up its still going to rebel. Its just in us to be disobedient. and this is what i refer to as the Fallen nature. so i want to say yes for the fact that every person permitted to grow will go their own way, and i want to say No, at the same time because God is not creating us to be purposly sinful.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by acerrak

well i like you agree we are born innocent, but i think if you stuck a baby in the perfect family so to speak , and the perfect life, when that child grows up its still going to rebel. Its just in us to be disobedient. and this is what i refer to as the Fallen nature. so i want to say yes for the fact that every person permitted to grow will go their own way, and i want to say No, at the same time because God is not creating us to be purposly sinful.

Right, the fall made us sinful with that drive in us. We are born with sin nature because of the fall.