Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Well, saying it was definitely part of the NT because of the OT then what are we suppose to tithe? Mosaic Law required food items, is that what I should tithe? Not all tithed under OT law. What did the silver smith tithe under OT Law?

probably, all I am saying is the only model the first church had was the OT. This would be a hard argument for even you to refute; however, I concede that there was nothing written about tithing from Acts to Revelations other than what was written to the Hebrews, but even that is somewhat obscure.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

probably, all I am saying is the only model the first church had was the OT. This would be a hard argument for even you to refute; however, I concede that there was nothing written about tithing from Acts to Revelations other than what was written to the Hebrews, but even that is somewhat obscure.

Brother Eastman, the problem with the model example is speculative and could not be used to establish doctrine. Which would we pick? Abraham, Jacob, or Mosaic Law?

I'm not against tithing just against how it is taught and tying it to salvation.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Brother Eastman, the problem with the model example is speculative and could not be used to establish doctrine. Which would we pick? Abraham, Jacob, or Mosaic Law?

I'm not against tithing just against how it is taught and tying it to salvation.

I don't think it should be tied to salvation at all either. That being said, I have lots of testimonies where God has taken care of me financially because I always at the very least gave and reaped what I have sown. I'm not a preacher that shoves tithing down someone's throat, however, I give good reasons why tithing should be given cheerfully.

[shag]

Who receives the tithe given in money, who determines who or who all receives it, who determines what happens to it after it is received, and where is the scripture that supports the answer to those questions?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by shag

Who receives the tithe given in money, who determines who or who all receives it, who determines what happens to it after it is received, and where is the scripture that supports the answer to those questions?

In my opinion, the tithe was to support the priests and levites as they ministered in the Temple; to help the poor; and to party with at the festivals. It was animals and crops but not money, although if a person lived quite a distance from Jerusalem the animals or crops could be sold and the money received would be used to buy food and drink (alcohol included) to party at Jerusalem. Since we no longer have the Temple in Jerusalem, and no longer have priests and levites, and no longer go to Jerusalem for the feasts, tithing is passed away just like the animal sacrifices, circumcision, feasts, levitical priesthood, sabbaths, fringes on garments, etc.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I don't think it should be tied to salvation at all either. That being said, I have lots of testimonies where God has taken care of me financially because I always at the very least gave and reaped what I have sown. I'm not a preacher that shoves tithing down someone's throat, however, I give good reasons why tithing should be given cheerfully.

I've heard preachers state, "tithe and you'll be blessed," and "tithe and you'll receive multiple financial blessings." Then two months later the tithing congregant loses his house.

Is God to blame? Do you understand the avenue I'm trying to show you? People will become resentment toward God.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

I've heard preachers state, "tithe and you'll be blessed," and "tithe and you'll receive multiple financial blessings." Then two months later the tithing congregant loses his house.

Is God to blame? Do you understand the avenue I'm trying to show you? People will become resentment toward God.

When someone says become a Christian and your life will change for the better but it doesn't, at least to the extent they expect, that causes resentment also.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by seekerman

When someone says become a Christian and your life will change for the better but it doesn't, at least to the extent they expect, that causes resentment also.

People who would say such thigns to others are idiots. With Jesus or without, life still has hardship.

Jesus said in John 14:26, "the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name..."

The holy Ghost can only become a "comforter" in time of affliction or distress.
Anyone telling a sinner that things will get a lot better once they give their lives to God are idiots.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

I've heard preachers state, "tithe and you'll be blessed," and "tithe and you'll receive multiple financial blessings." Then two months later the tithing congregant loses his house.

Is God to blame? Do you understand the avenue I'm trying to show you? People will become resentment toward God.

Sorry, I understand what you are saying but I have a hard time believing that a saint of God would resent God after they made the choice to give cheerfully.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sorry, I understand what you are saying but I have a hard time believing that a saint of God would resent God after they made the choice to give cheerfully.

How would you know they're giving cheerfully? If I said , Bro Eastman, you must give God 10% of your family income, if not, you're going to hell and you will not be used in the ministry. Do you really have a choice? Would you call that giving cheerfully or out of necessity?