Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

ROFL!!! You guys will stop at nothing with this deception will you?
How crazy can you get?
How LOW will you stoop to spread this deception?

In 55 years of church and living for God and 39 years of ministry, I have never heard anyone testify that TITHING MADE THEM POOR!!!! What a bald face LIE!

TITHERS ARE WINNERS and NON-TITHERS are LOSERS!

I never said that tithing makes someone poor. I'm saying that the poorest Americans are more devoted tithers. This demonstrates two things. The idea that giving money to gain prosperity is more embraced by those who need a financial blessing. Also... if tithing financially blessed those who tithed beyond measure they'd be the most wealthy of all economic classes in America.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by faithit166

i personally believe our salvation depends on being obedient in all things and that would include tithing also,whos in bondage to tithing i willingly give to the lord, god loves a cheerful giver i want that to me,

My question was: Is your salvation dependent upon your tithing?

For example, if you failed to tithe... would Jesus throw you to the curb and your soul be lost? Or would you loose measured blessing with regards to your failure to give as the Holy Spirit convicted you?

Those two questions are two VERY serious and important soteriological questions.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by HRea

I believe "giving" tithes (and offerings) are part of the NT, but I don't believe "paying" tithes are. (I am a faithful tither - God being very kind and wondrous to me). The difference is not very subtle. Hebrews 7 discusses the difference very well. Abraham and Jacob gave tithes, according as God had prospered them; the Levitical priesthood received tithes that were required of those under the Law, to sustain them. The focus was completely different in each. To us, the Levitical priesthood has been replaced by the priesthood after the order of Melchisedec, that is, by Jesus Christ.

Do you GIVE tithes to honor God as He has prospered you OR do you PAY tithes that are levied against you by the priesthood?

Do you believe one looses salvation if they fail to pay the tithe?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I think that is the most unbelievable thing I have ever read on here!

http://library.generousgiving.org/pa...sec=4&page=161

[ThePastorsCoach]

You poor guys! You lose and then you back pedal! LOL You make these crazy statements then when someone calls you on it and you realize how absurd it is - you change it - Oh, I didn't say it, didn't mean it that way, yada, yada, yada!

We have come to expect this kind of rhetoric from Non-Tithers!
Why do you guys despise Tithers? Did a Tither hurt you or hit you or did a TITHE envelope or Tithe basket somehow injure you? ROFL!
You guys get more hilarious by the day with your changing stories!
I mean this, well, I didn't mean that, I said this, but I meant that, I said paid, but I meant give, I said Tithe but I mean something else............. I make a challenge but when I lose - I just write a bunch of gobble de gook to make it seem like I know what I am talking about. ROFL!
Face it - The FACT IS - YOU LOSE! You lose by not TITHING and then YOU LOSE by trying to lead people into your ANTI-TITHE false doctrine!

When you lay your head down tonight - know that YOU LOST your challenge and the WORD OF GOD still stands and that.....TITHERS ARE WINNERS and NON-TITHERS are LOSERS!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You poor guys! You lose and then you back pedal! LOL You make these crazy statements then when someone calls you on it and you realize how absurd it is - you change it - Oh, I didn't say it, didn't mean it that way, yada, yada, yada!

We have come to expect this kind of rhetoric from Non-Tithers!
Why do you guys despise Tithers? Did a Tither hurt you or hit you or did a TITHE envelope or Tithe basket somehow injure you? ROFL!
You guys get more hilarious by the day with your changing stories!
I mean this, well, I didn't mean that, I said this, but I meant that, I said paid, but I meant give, I said Tithe but I mean something else............. I make a challenge but when I lose - I just write a bunch of gobble de gook to make it seem like I know what I am talking about. ROFL!
Face it - The FACT IS - YOU LOSE! You lose by not TITHING and then YOU LOSE by trying to lead people into your ANTI-TITHE false doctrine!

When you lay your head down tonight - know that YOU LOST your challenge and the WORD OF GOD still stands and that.....TITHERS ARE WINNERS and NON-TITHERS are LOSERS!

This is hilarious, you haven't proved nothing.

[Truthseeker]

My income has grown quite substantially since I discovered truth about tithing. One blessed non tithe believer!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Timmy

AB, I sympathize. Everyone who believes the Bible has to decide which parts to really believe, which to explain away (if they can, or just ignore, if they can't), and what interpretations to cling to. And it can be aggravating when others don't see it your way -- that is, the way you have chosen. And it's especially aggravating when they give their side of the story in a very convincing way.

They might feel the same way about your side, if you were to try presenting it in a convincing way (if that's possible). (Like I said, I haven't seen it yet. If you have done so, it would be helpful if you would point to it for us.)

One main thing about teaching tithing is no one, that I know of, teaches all the what the bible says about tithing. As you alluded to, they pick certain scriptures about tithing that fits for them. No one follows all scriptrues on tithing, just them that think they do.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I am not a Pastor...but I LOVE and Choose to tithe based on how I understand the scriptures...

Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The priesthood was changed (no more Levitical priesthood), so the law was also changed. Therefore tithing under the Levitical priesthood has been ABOLISHED.

Heb 5
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.


Jesus is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Since we are no longer under the Levitical priesthood, but under the Melchizedek priesthood, we need to consider if there is tithing under the Melchizedek priesthood and how it is/was done.

Under the Melchizedek priesthood, we GIVE tithes. We don't PAY tithes. That's the difference for me. Abraham GAVE tithes of all. He did not PAY tithes.

Heb 7
2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Gen 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

We should notice that tithing under the Melchizedek priesthood was GIVEN not PAYED. When we pay tithes, it implies we're owing God. However, when we GIVE tithes, it shows gratitude to God. So it comes back to the Cross of Jesus Christ.

We are NOT commanded to PAY tithes, but rather to GIVE tithes. It's an act of FAITH. Abraham was not commanded, he tithed by revelation.

The church is not built upon commands but by the revelation of the HolyGhost.

So in all, I tithe by the grace of God, not because I'm afraid of a curse, but because it's ONE (not the only) means by which I can show gratitude to God.

Btw, my pastor is not a paid pastor, so he does not take tithes...The tithes are used to help the needy in the church and church projects.

Originally Posted by HRea

I believe "giving" tithes (and offerings) are part of the NT, but I don't believe "paying" tithes are. (I am a faithful tither - God being very kind and wondrous to me). The difference is not very subtle. Hebrews 7 discusses the difference very well. Abraham and Jacob gave tithes, according as God had prospered them; the Levitical priesthood received tithes that were required of those under the Law, to sustain them. The focus was completely different in each. To us, the Levitical priesthood has been replaced by the priesthood after the order of Melchisedec, that is, by Jesus Christ.

Do you GIVE tithes to honor God as He has prospered you OR do you PAY tithes that are levied against you by the priesthood?

HRea, I think we see it the same way...

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you believe one looses salvation if they fail to pay the tithe?

No