Liberties or The Devil's Lair?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Here is the straight scoop. There was a time (soon after I became Pentecostal) when I was looking for a church as you describe... with ONE BIG exception! I have never believed only Oneness Pentecostals were my brothers and sisters.

I do not look down on trinitarians. I have seen a great hunger for God in many trinitarian Pentecostal and "Full Gospel" campmeetings. It agitates me when our ppl refer to all those who do not believe like we do as "those charismatics". I spent quite a bit of time in trinitarian churches and i appreciate their love for God. But i do not believe they are saved or my brethren. Not because I am better or wiser or more spiritual but because i believe in the neccessity of this experience, this message, and His name.

And as to the second scoop, when Paul said that her hair is given her for a covering, that pretty much rules out the veil IMO. Not trying to start a debate on I Cor. 11.

[houston]

Good teaching on I Cor. 11 (uncut).
FALSE DOCTRINE

Absolute necessity of Acts 2:38 salvation.
YEP

Abstaining from movies, television, and any other ungodly media.
BASED ON CONTENT


Restricted use of internet and use of good filters.
I HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.

Abstaining from jewelry (including wedding bands).
MODERATION

Believing in modesty of dress (following guidelines set by my pastor).
I DON'T NEED SOMEONE TO DRESS ME. I'M
NOT A CHILD.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by houston

Good teaching on I Cor. 11 (uncut).
FALSE DOCTRINE

Absolute necessity of Acts 2:38 salvation.
YEP

Abstaining from movies, television, and any other ungodly media.
BASED ON CONTENT


Restricted use of internet and use of good filters.
I HAVE THE HOLY GHOST.
Abstaining from jewelry (including wedding bands).
MODERATION

Believing in modesty of dress (following guidelines set by my pastor).
I DON'T NEED SOMEONE TO DRESS ME. I'M
NOT A CHILD.

I do too, and i want to keep it. So knowing that my flesh has the ability to be an absolute monster (i'm sure your's carries the same ability) i need to set a standard for myself in the time of weakness.



Completely out of context.

[houston]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I do too, and i want to keep it. So knowing that my flesh has the ability to be an absolute monster (i'm sure your's carries the same ability) i need to set a standard for myself in the time of weakness.



Completely out of context.

What specifically is out of context?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by houston

What specifically is out of context?

About not having to have someone to dress you. My pastor sets some guidelines for what is modest. He doesn't tell me or anyone else what to wear.

[shag]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I do not look down on trinitarians. I have seen a great hunger for God in many trinitarian Pentecostal and "Full Gospel" campmeetings. It agitates me when our ppl refer to all those who do not believe like we do as "those charismatics". I spent quite a bit of time in trinitarian churches and i appreciate their love for God. But i do not believe they are saved or my brethren. Not because I am better or wiser or more spiritual but because i believe in the neccessity of this experience, this message, and His name.

And as to the second scoop, when Paul said that her hair is given her for a covering, that pretty much rules out the veil IMO. Not trying to start a debate on I Cor. 11.

At what point do you consider God to have "filled those that hunger and thirst for righteousness"(like the thousands you spoke of), and at what point of this "honoring" their hungrr do they become saved and become your brother?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Wine toast at a wedding.

A dance for the Bride and Groom.

Champagne on your anniversary.

Makeup to cover zits and imperfections.

Water skiing in a swimsuit.

Occasionally watching a movie (in your living room or theatre).

I have no issues with these, nor see any scriptural support for opposing them.

What say you? Based on this, can I still be considered "Holiness"? Or am I in the Devil's lair?

I wouldn't call you anything except my friend.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I would have a serious problem with wearing make up.


I'm just saying....

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I do too, and i want to keep it. So knowing that my flesh has the ability to be an absolute monster (i'm sure your's carries the same ability) i need to set a standard for myself in the time of weakness.

I agree with you in this.

We are both natural and spiritual and there are things that we, as individuals, must do to encourage our abundant life as a Christian.

For example, the former bar fly who is now living as a son or daughter of God should be careful to avoid the bars-- for more than a little while.

This isn't legalism, this is wisdom.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by shag

At what point do you consider God to have "filled those that hunger and thirst for righteousness"(like the thousands you spoke of), and at what point of this "honoring" their hungrr do they become saved and become your brother?

When they are baptized in Jesus name.