Jesus and Spirit Baptism

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

cindy is right. I did a search and found luke 4:1:

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

was this from birth? how does this affect oneness christology?

Oneness is not affected because the humanity of Jesus had to pray. Why not require Spirit infilling as well? When we equate His humanity with deity, which is error, then we get into all sorts of other errors. His humanity was humanity, and he had actual diapers that had to be changed while an infant, and had to learn to walk. Why not be required to have the Spirit infilling as well? After all, He had to pray.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Oneness is not affected because the humanity of Jesus had to pray. Why not require Spirit infilling as well? When we equate His humanity with deity, which is error, then we get into all sorts of other errors. His humanity was humanity, and he had actual dipaers that had to be changed while an infant, and had to learn to walk. Why not be required to have the Spirit infilling as well? After all, He had to pray.

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by acerrak

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

what you are not grasping is that jesus is the same person as yahweh, only a human yahweh. human yaweh existed simultaneously with yahweh god. 2 modes of existence, 1 person. with the hs, 3 modes of existence, 1 person.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

what you are not grasping is that jesus is the same person as yahweh, only a human yahweh. human yaweh existed simultaneously with yahweh god. 2 modes of existence, 1 person. with the hs, 3 modes of existence, 1 person.

not i dont grasp it cause its theology and not bible

its not 2 modes of exsistance, its a actual father son relationship

im not new to oneness theology i used to preach it.

father /holy Spirit is YHWH
the human is Jesus, Jesus was His own person. Jesus worshiped and prayed to YHWH

Jesus went to Mary's Father (YHWH) and his father (YHWH) to mary's God and His God

The Human Jesus had a God named YHWH

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by acerrak

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

Yes, but the only difference is you feel this demands two different persons, whereas I think it is one divine person doing it all.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yes, but the only difference is you feel this demands two different persons, whereas I think it is one divine person doing it all.

the Human is a person, and the father is a person.

Jesus makes the comment, as long as i obey my fathers commands i will stay in my fathers Love.


we also have 2 wills, not my will be done but thine.

The human interacts with God, as a child would with his own father, they are not the same person,

The father was the second witness.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by acerrak

the Human is a person, and the father is a person.

Jesus makes the comment, as long as i obey my fathers commands i will stay in my fathers Love.


we also have 2 wills, not my will be done but thine.

The human interacts with God, as a child would with his own father, they are not the same person,

The father was the second witness.

why are you here? are you trying to convert op's to arianism or trinitarianism? I'm not budging. I have no doubt that jesus said before abraham was I am, he was referring to yahweh. the word was God. I and the father are one. what more do you want?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

why are you here? are you trying to convert op's to arianism or trinitarianism? I'm not budging. I have no doubt that jesus said before abraham was I am, he was referring to yahweh. the word was God. I and the father are one. what more do you want?

because i still attend a Upci, i still go to a apostolic church

and im not here to make converts im here to plainly speak what the bible says, plus i been here for a year posting and i like our discussions, some of them anyway

lets look at john 10:30

i and the father are one- Now lets look at scripture to determine what is ment here.

John 17:22

Father make them One as we are One.

the word one in John 10;30 and john 17:22 are both En, they are used the same way John 17:22 shows us the unity of the father and son relationship.

Jesus himself prays for the same unity of his disciples. John 10:30 is not in One as in being, but unity agreement,

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you also asked a question and i gace my humble answer of it with scriptures. can i not give you scriptures according to the subject?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by acerrak

because i still attend a Upci, i still go to a apostolic church

and im not here to make converts im here to plainly speak what the bible says, plus i been here for a year posting and i like our discussions, some of them anyway

lets look at john 10:30

i and the father are one- Now lets look at scripture to determine what is ment here.

John 17:22

Father make them One as we are One.

the word one in John 10;30 and john 17:22 are both En, they are used the same way John 17:22 shows us the unity of the father and son relationship.

Jesus himself prays for the same unity of his disciples. John 10:30 is not in One as in being, but unity agreement,

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you also asked a question and i gace my humble answer of it with scriptures. can i not give you scriptures according to the subject?

i don't like to argue about oneness, i'm just trying to clarify my understanding. you haven't answered the word was God; before abraham was, i am; god was manifest in the flesh; thomas said, my lord and my god; jesus said, if you have seen me, you have seen the father.