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08-29-2011, 10:13 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
You are misreading what I wrote. I was, initially, still responding to this portion of mfb's post:
His response allowed me to know that he understood what I was saying:
I was getting the impression that mfb, on a historical point, was saying that the change from robes to pants started in European culture, which it didn't. We weren't arguing wearing or not wearing them. We were talking about the origin. I was simply stating that pants developed prior to European culture. He said he still felt that European culture dictated American culture and I agreed.
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Didn't you assert pants were first worn by the Iranians (persians)?
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08-29-2011, 10:15 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Didn't you assert pants were first worn by the Iranians (persians)?
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What is your point? I'm simply saying it didn't start in European society.
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08-29-2011, 10:35 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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What is your point? I'm simply saying it didn't start in European society.
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? Just asking.
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08-29-2011, 10:39 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? |
I thought most all UPC had abandoned Deut to support skirts on ladies. No?
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08-29-2011, 10:40 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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I thought most all UPC had abandoned Deut to support skirts on ladies. No?
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I do not know. But they should.
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08-30-2011, 11:57 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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I thought most all UPC had abandoned Deut to support skirts on ladies. No?
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uh... no. 
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08-29-2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? |
I don't care for them, but I'm not going to tell anyone that they can't wear them. And I am really in the conversation to ferret out when women started wearing them, who started the trend, etc. I've read on other threads, in the past, some writing that Chinese women always wore them and I'm finding out that is not true. In ancient China, which I already posted, only soldiers wore trousers. So, move from the standards issue and give me information. I'm interested in reading it. lol
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08-29-2011, 10:59 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't care for them, but I'm not going to tell anyone that they can't wear them. And I am really in the conversation to ferret out when women started wearing them, who started the trend, etc. I've read on other threads, in the past, some writing that Chinese women always wore them and I'm finding out that is not true. In ancient China, which I already posted, only soldiers wore trousers. So, move from the standards issue and give me information. I'm interested in reading it. lol
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What about ancient chinese women in the rice fields? I heard that is where it started. that was the case in the Han Dynasty.
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[edit]Antiquity
Scythian archer. Interior from an Ancient Greek Attic red-figure plate, ca. 520–500 BC, from Vulci. British Museum, London.
Germanic trousers of the 4th century found in the Thorsberg moor, Germany
Trousers first enter recorded history in the 6th century BCE, with the appearance of horse-riding Iranian peoples in Greek ethnography. At this time, not only the Persians, but also allied Central Asian peoples such as the Bactrians, Armenians, and the Tigraxauda Scythians are known to have worn them.[4][5] Trousers are believed to have been worn by both sexes among these early users. ...from
^ Payne, Blanche. History of Costume. Harper & Row , 1965. pp. 49–51
^ book name: The Persian Army 560–330 BC, Author: Nicholas Sekunda, Illustrator: Simon Chew – http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor...bookcode=p2501
^ Lever, James. Costume and Fashion: A Concise History. Thames and Hudson, 1995, 2010. p. 15.
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08-29-2011, 11:01 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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What about ancient chinese women in the rice fields? I heard that is where it started.
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See? We've started out with conflicting information. 
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08-29-2011, 11:06 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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See? We've started out with conflicting information. |
I edited my post and added historical documentation and it said nothing about rice fields. 
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