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09-09-2011, 01:33 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
He hated Esau so his purpose according to election might stand.
9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 
9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Romans 9:11-13
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09-09-2011, 01:39 PM
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This is still that!
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
He hated Esau so his purpose according to election might stand.
9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Romans 9:11-13 |
so are you saying poor Esau didn't stand a chance? he was predestined for hell?
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09-09-2011, 01:41 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
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so are you saying poor Esau didn't stand a chance? he was predestined for hell?
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It was election for the nation that came from him, not him personally, that the election is speaking about. The reference in Malachi shows this to be the case. Esau never personally served Jacob, but the nation that came from him did.
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09-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
Don't forget, God not only hated Esau, but Jesus said you must hate your family to be His disciple.
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09-09-2011, 07:17 PM
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Genesis 11:10
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Don't forget, God not only hated Esau, but Jesus said you must hate your family to be His disciple.
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Isn't the contextual definition of hate is "to love less"?
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09-09-2011, 07:30 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Isn't the contextual definition of hate is "to love less"?
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NO! You must leave your family to further the gospel!
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09-09-2011, 07:31 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Isn't the contextual definition of hate is "to love less"?
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Could be.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
He doesn't really hate the deeds of the Nicolatians, He loves them, but less.
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09-09-2011, 07:39 PM
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Genesis 11:10
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Could be.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
He doesn't really hate the deeds of the Nicolatians, He loves them, but less. |
I meant in the other passages.
The same word can have different meanings, you know.
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09-09-2011, 09:00 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
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I meant in the other passages.
The same word can have different meanings, you know.
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Maybe hate just means hate. Miseo just means miseo.
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09-09-2011, 10:01 PM
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Re: IF God is Love...
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Could be.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
He doesn't really hate the deeds of the Nicolatians, He loves them, but less. |
It's called a Hyperbole
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