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[Ferd]

Esther, it boils down to math

435 members of the House
100 members of the Senate

To get such a law, you need exactly 218 members of the house to vote for it.
You need, at a minimum 60 senators to agree to vote on the subject, then you need at a minimum 50 senators plus the vice president to vote for it.


good luck.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Esther, it boils down to math

435 members of the House
100 members of the Senate

To get such a law, you need exactly 218 members of the house to vote for it.
You need, at a minimum 60 senators to agree to vote on the subject, then you need at a minimum 50 senators plus the vice president to vote for it.


good luck.

Can the people not put this on a ballot and vote on it without Congress approval?

Don't they work for us?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Esther

Can the people not put this on a ballot and vote on it without Congress approval?

Don't they work for us?

No, they don't work for us. They work for themselves.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Esther

Can the people not put this on a ballot and vote on it without Congress approval?

Don't they work for us?

There is no such thing as a "the ballot" on the federal level.

The constitution requires congress pass all laws.


The concept of ballot inititives is a state level advent created by State Constitutions.



The only other option is a constitutional convention. For that you would need 33 state legislatures to call a convention.


Article V - Amendment The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[deafdriscoll]

yes, you can make congress do what ever you want them to do.
remember the bogus election in the Ukraine in 2004. it was called the orange revelution. We could have a demestration everyday in washington and go on strike like we used to and get a law passed. It happened in the 50's with the truckers.