You think Trinitarians accept you?

[JamDat]

The blogs I posted were just a few. Type into google; the elephant room, td jakes

See just how many people have a problem with OP's. Again while you might not know who they are, I promise you that they are very influential in their circles which are quite large and well organized.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by JamDat

The blogs I posted were just a few. Type into google; the elephant room, td jakes

See just how many people have a problem with OP's. Again while you might not know who they are, I promise you that they are very influential in their circles which are quite large and well organized.

They have a problem with Pentecostals in general or anyone that is not in the same belief system they are in. They are elitist, sectarian, judgmental and for the most part very anti-pentecostal of any kind.
The same things you say about them can be said of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. That certainly does not validate them in any way. I have never heard of them before I read about their Elephant Room meeting on this forum - that's how "influential" they are! HA!

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

They have a problem with Pentecostals in general or anyone that is not in the same belief system they are in. They are elitist, sectarian, judgmental and for the most part very anti-pentecostal of any kind.
The same things you say about them can be said of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church. That certainly does not validate them in any way. I have never heard of them before I read about their Elephant Room meeting on this forum - that's how "influential" they are! HA!

I didn't mean that they were influential to OP's, lol. They're about as influential to OP's as you are to them. They do have large congregations, blogs that many read, radio programs, and some TV programs. I think that this could lead into a renewed effort to teach the trinity which could open the door for us too. Be prepared for it and don't be fooled by thinking they think you're OK.

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

They have a problem with Pentecostals in general or anyone that is not in the same belief system they are in. They are elitist, sectarian, judgmental and for the most part very anti-pentecostal of any kind.

This is simply not true. For example, The Gospel Coalition, probably the largest and most influential of the groups, regularly fellowships with Pentecostals/Charismatics.

Good grief, even some of the Gospel Coalition council members are self-described charismatics (i.e. Matt Chandler, DA Carson, Mark Driscoll, Joshua Harris, CJ Mahaney).

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

This is simply not true. For example, The Gospel Coalition, probably the largest and most influential of the groups, regularly fellowships with Pentecostals/Charismatics.

Good grief, even some of the Gospel Coalition council members are self-described charismatics (i.e. Matt Chandler, DA Carson, Mark Driscoll, Joshua Harris, CJ Mahaney).

Even though our pastor, Chandler, will hang out with pentecostals and charismatics he would probably consider most of them to be practicing the gifts in an unbiblical way and leading people into mysticism. There is so much of that going around.

Still, these guys aren't your typical calvinist in that they do agree that in the proper context the gifts are to be used in the church today.

Most here would laugh at the idea of an elder board requiring that they filter messages in tongues before releasing it to the members and also anyone with a "word of knowledge" has to present it to the board. There are so many nutcases out there proclaiming themselves to be prophets and having "words from God" that it is a very wise thing to just squash most of that stuff before it ever happens.

How many large UPC churches do you know that you would probably walk in off the street and give a message in tongues and the folks would accept it as from God without knowing anything about the person?

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Even though our pastor, Chandler, will hang out with pentecostals and charismatics he would probably consider most of them to be practicing the gifts in an unbiblical way and leading people into mysticism. There is so much of that going around.

Still, these guys aren't your typical calvinist in that they do agree that in the proper context the gifts are to be used in the church today.

What you say is true. Most Reformed charismatics would not want to endorse the excessive, prosperity gospel, word-of-faith pentecostals. And that is a good thing because, as you say, there is a lot of mystic, unbiblical stuff going around.

But we still need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

As Sam Storms, a well-known reformed charismatic, says, "The eleventh commandment is not 'Thou shalt not do at all what others do poorly.'"

In other words, just because some people abuse the charismatic gifts does NOT mean that the gifts should be thrown out altogether. That's basically the message of 1 Corinthians.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

What you say is true. Most Reformed charismatics would not want to endorse the excessive, prosperity gospel, word-of-faith pentecostals. And that is a good thing because, as you say, there is a lot of mystic, unbiblical stuff going around.

But we still need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

As Sam Storms, a well-known reformed charismatic, says, "The eleventh commandment is not 'Thou shalt not do at all what others do poorly.'"

In other words, just because some people abuse the charismatic gifts does NOT mean that the gifts should be thrown out altogether. That's basically the message of 1 Corinthians.

I think I agree. However, there are some, mainly pentecostals, who may say that because there is a stance against the idea of "the baptism with the evidence of speaking in other tongues" that they are throwing everything out.

I can attest that the miraculous is happening everyday at our church. People are healed, lives are changed, and yet all this is done without shouting music, altar calls, or any of the other stuff that pentecostals are well known for. It is hard to explain the church and I think it is so rare that there isn't much to compare it with out there. Hopefully that will change, The Village has planted seven churches in the area and begging people to leave there church and go because there is no room at church anymore.