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[kclee4jc]

And the smoke of their torment shall ascend up forever and ever????

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

And the smoke of their torment shall ascend up forever and ever????

Forever used in bible doesn't always mean what we use forever for. Jude speaks of eternal fire of sodom and G, but fire not burning anymore.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

This error will NOT shorten Hell 2 seconds nor cool it down. Keep on going and you will join Carlton Pearson.

Not all that don't believe in hell believe all will go to heaven.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by houston

They're not even related.

We will see.

[SRM]

It is really simple..the opposite of eternal life is...........To say one goes to hell and is being tormented is a form of eternal life WHICH is a promise to believers ONLY..think about it..I think the unsaved just dies period,we are born dead already that is alienation from God,that is why we need to be "born again" to receive life from the dead..Adam was not the first person to die,Abel was.Jesus did not come to redeem the death of Abel ..

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We learn more about the devil here than anywhere else in scripture.

28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Ezekiel 28:12-19

And if you think this is not the devil where else in scripture have we learned the things we teach about him?

Verse 16 YHWH says he will destroy him.

Verse 19 YHWH says he will never BE any more.

Rev 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire for the second death is a place of torment day and night for ever and just in case you didn't understand for ever in verse 10 the first time, it gets repeated. Tie that in with the rest of the bible and we get a clear picture.

I know it's hard to think that God could be so "cruel," but He's not. He gives warning after warning and yet mankind hardens his heart. The wrath of God is very real and if Jesus Christ the spotless Lamb of God had the wrath poured out on Him, then woe to you who have not repented.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Rev 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire for the second death is a place of torment day and night for ever and just in case you didn't understand for ever in verse 10 the first time, it gets repeated. Tie that in with the rest of the bible and we get a clear picture.

I know it's hard to think that God could be so "cruel," but He's not. He gives warning after warning and yet mankind hardens his heart. The wrath of God is very real and if Jesus Christ the spotless Lamb of God had the wrath poured out on Him, then woe to you who have not repented.

This only proves that forever does not always mean what we think of as forever. Ezekiel shows us the devil will be destroyed and be no more.

Forever can be as short as 3 days in the Hebrew.

I taught eternal torment myself for 16 years. When I looked at it with the Biblical foundation that THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH the scriptures began to open up.

The wrath of God is very real. Unfortunately not many believe in it proved by the fact they think they can sin every day and escape it. Those who continue in sin will be thrown into the Lake Of Fire even those who think they are Christians.

[Norman]

What exactly is death? Is it really an ending of existence, or a separation? Some people say natural death is separation of the body from the soul, and spiritual death is separation from God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Norman

What exactly is death? Is it really an ending of existence, or a separation? Some people say natural death is separation of the body from the soul, and spiritual death is separation from God.

Death is the opposite of life. When we die we do not have life.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Death is the opposite of life. When we die we do not have life.

That makes death the absence of life, not the opposite.