Is Welfare a Right?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

[b]Because a lot of money is wasted! That's why!

A lot of money is wasted. I have no problem with that response. In fact its a good reason to dislike our welfare system. If you're problem is with the money the system wastes then I'm totally with you. But the solution in fixing a wasted money problem isn't necessarily in doing away with any such system, it's in making a better less wasteful system.

Of course you won't go for that because your goal isn't to argue that we need to imporve the system, it's to argue that we need to do away with the system and that's my problem with yall's side. Yall make points in trying to argue that we should do away with a welfare system that have the logical end of only showing we need an improved welfare system. You then take this as you having proved your argument that we should do away with welfare. It's all so faulty of logic I don't even know if we can get the discussion to be productive at all. But let's try...

[Aquila]

Every third years tithe was for the needy in Israel. Essentially you have an agrarian land tax to support the widows, orphans, needy, and strangers.

They had rights to anything dropped in the harvest, and to glean from the edges and corners of crops.

On the year of Jubilee all land was returned to original family owners. Imagine the government of that society forcing you to give your land back.

Our Constitution allows for individual states to address this issue. I feel state governments should partner with private entities (charities, business, and churches) to serve those in need. Not a "government program" per se, but a public/private cooperative to help the needy.

[Dordrecht]

Bleeding hearts, it's my opinion that the welfare system is totally hay wire.
It has been desensitizing people and creating a whole generation that depends on hand outs. Hopefully Obama does not get reelected and we get some people in power that will do a major overhaul before north America is going down the tube like some countries in Europe.
We cannot keep wasting money on people sitting in front of TV's all day, producing babies, and who don't look for work anymore. That's the bottom line. It will drag the whole country down, economy and all.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Bleeding hearts, it's my opinion that the welfare system is totally hay wire.
It has been desensitizing people and creating a whole generation that depends on hand outs. Hopefully Obama does not get reelected and we get some people in power that will do a major overhaul before north America is going down the tube like some countries in Europe.
We cannot keep wasting money on people sitting in front of TV's all day, producing babies, and who don't look for work anymore. That's the bottom line. It will drag the whole country down, economy and all.

What do you propose should happen to a single mother with two young kids?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by jfrog

What do you propose should happen to a single mother with two young kids?

There are many of them right now and we need a government that's going to prevent these situations from happening in the future. We don't need MORE single parent families. Satan is out to destroy the family unit, that's how he eventually will destroy a whole country. Once the family is gone, there's nothing left. All responsibility goes out the window.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

There are many of them right now and we need a government that's going to prevent these situations from happening in the future. We don't need MORE single parent families. Satan is out to destroy the family unit, that's how he eventually will destroy a whole country. Once the family is gone, there's nothing left. All responsibility goes out the window.

LOL. As if the government is some super powerful entity that can keep women from getting pregnant. Sure their might be some policies and such that could reduce that from happening but there are always going to be single mothers. We don't live in an idealized world and never will. We live in the REAL world.

[Dordrecht]

I got some news for you: We have more single mothers in the word today than ever before in the history of the world, and it has nothing to do with the population figures, it has everything to do with declining morality. And yes, the government is able to do something about that, but it takes a government that has guts to stand up for moral issues.

That could be done through the public school system, which stinks today.

Today we have politicians and teachers without morals teaching our kids.

Prime example: ----> Clinton: I did not have sex with THAT WOMAN. The truth is that he had oral sex in the oval office with a young girl.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I got some news for you: We have more single mothers in the word today than ever before in the history of the world, and it has nothing to do with the population figures, it has everything to do with declining morality. And yes, the government is able to do something about that, but it takes a government that has guts to stand up for moral issues.

That could be done through the public school system, which stinks today.

Today we have politicians and teachers without morals teaching our kids.

Prime example: ----> Clinton: I did not have sex with THAT WOMAN. The truth is that he had oral sex in the oval office with a young girl.

More dodging the question with rhetoric: single moms have always existed and always will... what do you propose we do about them?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Besides if tax payers are the kind of people that want to help others why be upset about the government using your money to do it?

It is because we want help people who really need it not the lazy bunch of freeloaders that are abundant in the welfare system.

We want to decide who we want to help not some faceless government beauracracy.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

It is because we want help people who really need it not the lazy bunch of freeloaders that are abundant in the welfare system.

We want to decide who we want to help not some faceless government beauracracy.

Don't lie. Lying is a sin. If welfare was done away yall can't tell me that you plan on using all that money to help others. It just won't happen. In fact the reason I know it won't happen is because the very argument many of you was giving earlier in this discussion: "if I didn't have to pay for welfare then my life would be easier/better".