Dr. Gerald Jeffers

[ApostolicRob]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

Thanks to YouTube, most of us have heard him tho. That's the kicker.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

[ApostolicRob]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

I would love to see where you make this claim that he did something wrong. and what did HE do that was wrong?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

I would love to see where you make this claim that he did something wrong. and what did HE do that was wrong?

Are you affliated with UPCI?

[ApostolicRob]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

You were the one to say something about "two or three witnesses" then Renda offered you some names and now your saying that those witnesses don't count because they're essentially biases (and not allowed to speak against the ministry anyways, thus by that logic the ministry will NEVER have any witnesses to wrong doing).

I don't have a bone in this fight and don't even know who Gerald Jeffers is but just noting the inconsistency.

[ApostolicRob]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You were the one to say something about "two or three witnesses" then Renda offered you some names and now your saying that those witnesses don't count because they're essentially biases (and not allowed to speak against the ministry anyways, thus by that logic the ministry will NEVER have any witnesses to wrong doing).

I don't have a bone in this fight and don't even know who Gerald Jeffers is but just noting the inconsistency.

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

Huh? Providing contact info of the witnesses isn't good enough?

It's okay - I understand what you are trying to say, but fact is fact and I know some facts and you don't.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

Thanks for the advice, however, I do know from first hand.