I am apostolic

[TGBTG]

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him.

If trinitarians are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him

If oneness are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him.

So who's obeying God? oneness or trinnies?

Let's be honest with ourselves:

1. The restoration of the gifts in the early 20th century started with trinitarians.
2. It was trinitarians which coined the "initial evidence doctrine"

Sure, God has revealed more truth about the doctrine of the Godhead, this doesn't mean someone who does not understand it is not saved.

The early pioneers of today's oneness churches were TRINITARIANS at some point.
They were saved. It was while walking with God they received FURTHER REVELATION.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him.

If trinitarians are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him

If oneness are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him.

So who's obeying God? oneness or trinnies?

Let's be honest with ourselves:

1. The restoration of the gifts in the early 20th century started with trinitarians.
2. It was trinitarians which coined the "initial evidence doctrine"

Sure, God has revealed more truth about the doctrine of the Godhead, this doesn't mean someone who does not understand it is not saved.

The early pioneers of today's oneness churches were TRINITARIANS at some point.
They were saved. It was while walking with God they received FURTHER REVELATION.

God used a donkey, and that donkey wasn't saved. If God used a donkey, surely God can use an unsaved trinitarian too!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

God used a donkey, and that donkey wasn't saved. If God used a donkey, surely God can use an unsaved trinitarian too!

I think you missed the scripture I quoted:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This scripture states God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him. So why did God gives the trinitarians of Azuza street the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I think you missed the scripture I quoted:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This scripture states God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him. So why did God gives the trinitarians of Azuza street the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues?

Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Nicodemus acknowledged in order to produce supernatural miracles, one must be endued with power from on high. Also, Peter in Acts 1:8 stated, "ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you"

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Now, to answer your question. These people in Matt 7 that performed miracles, prophesied, cast out devils, surely they were obedient, yes? Also, surely they recieved the Holy Ghost, yes? That would conclude they spoke in tongues, yes? Yet, they will be lost for eternity even though they were used? So it is with these Azusa street trinitarians.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Now, to answer your question. These people in Matt 7 that performed miracles, prophesied, cast out devils, surely they were obedient, yes? Also, surely they recieved the Holy Ghost, yes? That would conclude they spoke in tongues, yes? Yet, they will be lost for eternity even though they were used? So it is with these Azusa street trinitarians.

No, those people were not obedient.

Matt 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Those people did NOT do the will of the Father

So what is the will of the Father?

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

No, those people were not obedient.

Oh really? Perhaps they received the Holy Ghost by being disobedient?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Oh really? Perhaps they received the Holy Ghost by being disobedient?

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

They did NOT do the will of the Father, hence, they were DISOBEDIENT