WHAT!?! No Christmas???

[shag]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Guys... most of us are Gentiles of European heritage. Why do we want to eradicate white European culture? When our ancestors became Christians they maintained their cultural identity. Just like the Maori in New Zealand, they do a tribal "war dance" and even distort their faces in a haka as part of their praise and worship meetings (which are UPCI). So... we kept some seasonal decorations that go back a long way (Yule Logs, Christmas Trees, Mistletoe, etc.). But now those things are "cultural" not spiritual. In fact, many were redefined so that they point to the only true Saviour, Jesus Christ. The Christmas Tree was redefined to represent eternal life in Christ.

not for me
For me personally to do/think that, in my own mind I would be doing so just as a desperate attempt to justify partaking in something that hasn't got anything to do with Jesus Christ.(but rather roots in things he hates)

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shag

not for me
For me personally to do that, in my own mind I would be doing so just as a desperate attempt to justify partaking in something that hasnt got anything to do with Jesus Christ.

Bro... Veterans Day has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The days of the week are named after pagan gods. The point is... DOMINION. We are to take ALL things from Satan and give them back to Christ, for His glory.

Santa Claus - A tradition of secret giving based on a historical pastor (Nicholas) in Myra.
Stockings - A tradition originating in an act of Nicholas.
Christmas Trees - A festive floral decoration used to mark the winter season and used by the European church to exemplify the Light of Life, shining in the darkness.
December 25th as Christ's birth - Messianic tradition based on an ancient docrtrine known as "Integral Age" dating to the early second century (prior to the revival of the pagan holiday which was about seven days long by the way).

These things are distinctly "Christian" tradition. Now, I'm Irish and English. I'm not ashamed of my culture or my heritage. We have traditions they go way back... but today we know the one who is worthy of our worship. Did you know that steeples are based on the ancient druidic "phalic" symbols perched atop their temples in ancient Europe? Let me guess... you'd never attend a church with a steeple??? LOL The "sermon" is Aristotelian in it's rhetorical structure (popularized by the pagan Stoics). I bet you love a good sermon (it's pagan).

The point is... there are two philosophies among Christians today. Run and hide from all things deemed "unbiblical". And then there is run and conqure ALL THINGS, taking them captive to honor Christ. In this... I'm more Dominion focused. I believe that when we surrender a day, a celebration, a custom to Satan... we're giving him something that he has no right to. ALL THINGS belong to my God. Even December 25th. Even October 31st. Why not TAKE these things from Satan and TAKE DOMINION? Are we meant to be purely on the defense all the time, running from "un-Christian" customs and traditions with our skirts hiked up like little girls? Our do we sit down and say, "This doesn't belong to the enemy. It's mine! I'm taking it and giving it to Christ!"?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We are to take ALL things from Satan and give them back to Christ, for His glory.

Here's your next reclaimation project brother.

You need to begin the grand and glorious move to take the Pentegram (upside down preferrably) and use it to represent the five fold ministry.

Won't God be proud.



We can all start having pentagrams on the front of our pulpits and on the front doors of the church. Maybe even those who wear jewelyr can wear pentagram necklaces. I can feel the revival already. (TIC... of course)

By the way... you don't give things BACK to someone when they never were their own to begin with.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Here's your next reclaimation project brother.

You need to begin the grand and glorious move to take the Pentegram (upside down preferrably) and use it to represent the five fold ministry.

Won't God be proud.



We can all start having pentagrams on the front of our pulpits and on the front doors of the church. Maybe even those who wear jewelyr can wear pentagram necklaces. I can feel the revival already. (TIC... of course)

Bro... Jesus is the Morning Star is He not? And yes, there is a Church with a lighted star downtown. While I don't advocating using a "pentagram"... using the star to represent the light of His coming is perfectly biblical. You'd throw out all references to a star out of fear.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro... Jesus is the Morning Star is He not? And yes, there is a Church with a lighted star downtown. While I don't advocating using a "pentagram"... using the star to represent the light of His coming is perfectly biblical.

Why not?

You said that we must take ALL things from satan and give them back to God.

If we can take fertility rituals in the spring and bring them "back" to God... and if we can bring take the celebration of the death and then eternal resurrection (reincarnation actually... I suppose) of the sun god and give that "back" to God...


Then what in the world is wrong with giving the pentagram "back" to God?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Why not?

You said that we must take ALL things from satan and give them back to God.

If we can take fertility rituals in the spring and bring them "back" to God... and if we can bring take the celebration of the death and then eternal resurrection of the sun god and give that "back" to God...

See... that's the thing. The pagan fertility celebrations were dead when Messianics began celebrating Christ's birth on December 25th in the early 2nd century. It took a pagan emperor reviving the pagan festival by decree in an attempt to combat the spread of Christianity. Christians didn't borrow the date.

Then what in the world is wrong with giving the pentagram "back" to God?

Honestly, nothing. It's just a geometric shape. However, weak stomached Christians could never handle it this side of glory.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Honestly, nothing. It's just a geometric shape. However, weak stomached Christians could never handle it this side of glory.

So maybe when we all get to heaven there will be a pentagram there?