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Originally Posted by shag
God said beside me there is no Saviour, so IMO your Jesus is not the Saviour if He is not God, SRM. With all respect to you bro, I put this thread in the fellowship hall for a reason. I will not waste my time with you on this.
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Of course God is the Savior..but that does not mean God does not use people to act on his behalf..
Neh 9:27 And so you gave them up into the hands of their haters who were cruel to them: and in the time of their trouble, when they made their prayer to you, you gave ear to them from heaven; and in
your great mercy gave them saviours, who made them free from the hands of their haters.
Yikes..this is in your Bible..
Jesus is called A Savior..not THE Savior..look for yourself..God also used Joshua to lead Israel to the promise land..after all the name Joshua means YWHW saves..
Jesus = YHWH saves
Joshua also means the same
Yet the bible teaches that YHWH did not save Israel by doing the job himself Or did He become Joshua. Joshua saved Israel by obeying God and leading Israel into the Promise land. The salvation was wrought by God empowering both Joshua and the people who went forth to claim the victory God guaranteed for them yet it was God who said that HE would do the job
The favorite 5 words about Jesus is..HE HAD TO BE GOD
You mean a perfect sinless man brought sin into the world and it is wrong for God to bring yet another perfect sinless MAN to take the sin out?
If God made a creed and purposed this so to be I do not have a problem with it,it seems to boggle the mind that God chose and used a human being like no other to be the representation for God and to act on his behalf just like He did countless times in the OT. The human Jesus is not good enough so it seems,no in fact my old pastor {apostolic btw} used to preach from His pulpit "I would not serve a God who would not die for me"
at that time I stood and shouted Hallelujah but looking back the man was wrong.As great as a preacher as He was and I respect him dearly He is wrong to say and believe God can die.The story of the Bible is not that God so loved the world that HE gave..but rather God has a Son..the perfect Son He always wanted in Adam..He created and raised up that Son from the womb of a virgin.To say and believe Jesus was MORE than a man is to discredit the very words of the Bible.
Why does not Paul say that God commends his love towards us that while we were still sinners HE died for us? Paul does not use incarnation language at all yet it is the mainstream belief God became like a Transformer {Robot in disguise} and became a man..
Heb 2:17 Because of this it was necessary for him
to be made like his brothers in every way, so that he might be a high priest full of mercy and keeping faith in everything to do with God, making offerings for the sins of the people.
In EVERY WAY..what part of humanity has a dual nature? What part of humanity is a God man,a dual nature man?
No the Messiah of the Bible I believe in is not a false Jesus..He is the one Moses wrote about..
Deut 18:15-18
Moses spoke if a future Prophet LIKE ME from among your brethren d
Peter and Stephen apply this to
Jesus
Acts 3:22 7:37 neither they or Moses could use such language if they considered the Messiah to be God himself
What part of Moses was dual nature?
David calls the Messiah "Adoni" not Adonai Lord God. If David did not expect the Messiah to be God- why should we?
It is like JC Penny..its all inside...that is your own Bible!..
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