All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amanah]

when I was an UC I was taught that the people who spoke in tongues, who were not Oneness didn't have the real HG, they had a devil.

No, I think they have the same HG that I have.

Do I think I have a greater understanding of truth with Jesus name baptism and the Oneness of God? yes I do, but I also am pretty sure I don't know it all.

My world was so small as an UC, we thought that we were the ultimate church, that people who had standards less then ours were lost. We even thought that according to the parable of the sower, possibly 75% of us were bad ground, and lost. And then there was an elder Sister in the church who taught that Jesus had an inner circle of 3, and we were to strive to be in that inner circle. The wheel within the wheel, the elite of the elite. I thought most of the UPC was to liberal and was lost.

So now maybe my mind is expanding a little too far in the opposite direction, and I'm seeing the possibility that there is hope for many more in heaven then the tiny little circle I once thought possible.

I'm searching for new boundaries, I don't want them as small and exclusive as they used to be, and I don't want them to stretch out beyond where they should be.

Sometimes I think the only way to find the boundaries is to shut myself off from everyone and just pray and read my bible and find the answers one on one. But God moves through his church in a way that I can never experience alone.

Last weekend, I sat in the local UPC church, thinking that being there was likely the closest to truth I was going to be able to get. The woman in front of me had her hair piled up so high that it was truly a work of art, and she had a hair thing like a huge flower sculpture sticking out of the side of her head, her suit was remarkably beautifull. My hair is still not growing right, its fragile from having gone thru chemo and it keeps breaking off, so I'm sitting there wearing a long haired wig just so people won't judge me by my hair. And I'm asking myself, God is this really where I belong? The preacher is telling us to take our wallets and empty them on the altar like the wise men offered all their substance when they came to see baby Jesus. God is this where I really belong?

I know this church is pretty liberal compared to what I came up in, I can see many people there who do not fit the apostolic identity, people at all different stages in their walk with God. Maybe this is where I belong.

My heart is breaking, I don't want to be narrow minded, closed minded, hatefull and exclusive.
My heart is breaking, I don't want to be lost either.

[deafdriscoll]

As a trinitarian I am proud to be lost Mr.Eply.
Question - what if you are wrong for saying I am lost.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Amanah

My heart is breaking, I don't want to be narrow minded, closed minded, hatefull and exclusive.
My heart is breaking, I don't want to be lost either.

Amanah, be comforted. You are following God in real ways, He will honor that. I do not find anywhere in scripture that God found one seeking after Him with the desire to love and worship Him and repaid with a serpent or a stone. Yet in the history of man we have NEVER had perfect doctrine, not one of us. There are only a very select few on the planet who are arrogant enough (or blind enough) to think that they do and it is their souls I fear for most of all. I believe that no man can claim to completely know the mind of God this side of eternity and it may be vanity as well to think that we will know ALL things even then.

We are growing daily as we should. He measures and weighs us and finds we have more substance this year than last and that pleases Him. We are His children and he delights in us.

What father, seeing his toddler fall and scrape a knee would run to him to kick him while he is down? Yet we have seen God painted just this way in the words of those we trusted to teach us. Too many times this desire to scare sinners straight backfires and we wind up frightening ourselves. We become the ones who can't sleep at night.

He loves you even as you search Him out wanting to know His heart and know His people and love them. It was His plan for you all along and never doubt that it pleases Him.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Last weekend, I sat in the local UPC church, thinking that being there was likely the closest to truth I was going to be able to get. The woman in front of me had her hair piled up so high that it was truly a work of art, and she had a hair thing like a huge flower sculpture sticking out of the side of her head, her suit was remarkably beautifull. My hair is still not growing right, its fragile from having gone thru chemo and it keeps breaking off, so I'm sitting there wearing a long haired wig just so people won't judge me by my hair. And I'm asking myself, God is this really where I belong? The preacher is telling us to take our wallets and empty them on the altar like the wise men offered all their substance when they came to see baby Jesus. God is this where I really belong?

I know this church is pretty liberal compared to what I came up in, I can see many people there who do not fit the apostolic identity, people at all different stages in their walk with God. Maybe this is where I belong.

My heart is breaking, I don't want to be narrow minded, closed minded, hatefull and exclusive.
My heart is breaking, I don't want to be lost either.

Amanah, the closest to the truth that you will ever get on this side of eternity is when you open your own Bible and ask Jesus to teach you, in the Holy Ghost. I think that God would think your hair is as beautiful, or even more so than the sculptured hair of the woman in front of you at the church service. You see, God does not look upon the outside of the vessel, but has the ability to view what is on the inside of the vessel. Remember that he picked King David over all of the others.

The situation is pitiful if women should go so far that they feel they must put on a wig in order to feel accepted by oneness pentecostals. People should not have to fear the judgment of another mortal human being because of how they look.
That is adding to the burden you already had when you had to take chemotherapy. You should be able to walk into any church and feel at rest instead of wondering what the others think about your hair. If the women are not crowding around you to uplift you and give you encouragement, then it is a selfish church system.

This is for you Sister Amanah. Sometimes we get fed more by the Holy Ghost when we minister to others (and I think you understand what I am saying here). Do not feel ashamed by your hair. You have walked through the valley on your way to the mountaintop. Let the Holy Ghost take you to the mountaintop to fellowship with Christ.

However, you should attend where you feel led by the Holy Ghost to attend services.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Amanah

when I was an UC I was taught that the people who spoke in tongues, who were not Oneness didn't have the real HG, they had a devil.

No, I think they have the same HG that I have.

Do I think I have a greater understanding of truth with Jesus name baptism and the Oneness of God? yes I do, but I also am pretty sure I don't know it all. [/QUOTE] None of us should take a stance that supports the thinking that we've got GOD all figured out!!!

Originally Posted by Amanah

I'm searching for new boundaries, I don't want them as small and exclusive as they used to be, and I don't want them to stretch out beyond where they should be. Sometimes I think the only way to find the boundaries is to shut myself off from everyone and just pray and read my bible and find the answers one on one. But God moves through his church in a way that I can never experience alone.

Take Titus2Woman's example. Search the scriptures for yourself! But yes, we must fellowship other believers.

Originally Posted by Amanah

My heart is breaking, I don't want to be narrow minded, closed minded, hatefull and exclusive.
My heart is breaking, I don't want to be lost either.

Seek God with all your heart about this, and as Titus2Woman has spoken, there is a place for you, but maybe it's not at that church! Where is the love? A true church following Jesus will have LOVE expressed as one of their fruits! Seek, and ye shall find.... l'll be praying for ya!!!