Deathbed Salvation

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Then that's what you believe. I believe He meant exactly what He said, and I don't add to or take away from what's written.

What Jesus said in John 20:23 is truth and He gave His eleven apostles in the first century authority to forgive or retain sins.

You asked if I would pray for the dying if asked?

Why wouldn't I? Because I believe that Jesus can heal the dying and raise the dead so that they can obey His word and have their soul saved. The Lord is not going to go against His own word to appease us!

I stated this in another comment to you, that James was clearly talking about brothers and sisters in Christ, he was not talking about praying for and anointing unbelievers. Read above.

James asked if there were ANY sick among them. That means ANY.

You imply that if a brother or a sister had a sick and dying unsaved spouse or child crying for God's mercy, you'd deny them the anointing of oil and the prayer of faith that they might receive what is promised in James 5:14-15.

I'd anoint them with oil as we prayed and claimed the promises of James 5:14-15 in the name of Jesus. Then, if they died, I'd commit their soul to a just and loving God. Understanding that He alone can judge the soul, and I'd believe for the best. For His mercy endureth forever.

Salvation isn't a plan or formula. Salvation is a person, and His name is Jesus. He alone has authority to save in any given circumstance. You tie His hands...legalistically clinging to your interpretation. Leave all doors open for God. We get into so much trouble the moment we say, "God can't..."

I was a medic in the Army bro. Sometimes you have to carry the wounded because they can't walk on their own. And you never give up on trying to save them as long as they have breath in their lungs.

I'm God's medic. If someone is dying and crying out for mercy, hand me the oil...or... shut your trap and get out of my way.

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Aquila

James asked if there were ANY sick among them. That means ANY.

You imply that if a brother or a sister had a sick and dying unsaved spouse or child crying for God's mercy, you'd deny them the anointing of oil and the prayer of faith that they might receive what is promised in James 5:14-15.

I'd anoint them with oil as we prayed and claimed the promises of James 5:14-15 in the name of Jesus. Then, if they died, I'd commit their soul to a just and loving God. Understanding that He alone can judge the soul, and I'd believe for the best. For His mercy endureth forever.

Ok, Let's take a look at James 5:12-16 NKJV

12 But above all,my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “Yes” be “Yes,” and your “No,” “No,” lest you fall into judgment.

Who Is James talking to in this chapter and entire letter? His Brethren!

James 1:2 says this: "My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,.."

13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms.

James tells the brethren to pray when they are suffering, and sing Psalms when they are cheerful.

14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

The scripture CLEARLY tells us that if any among the brethren are sick let HIM the sick person call for the ELDERS of the church and let THEM pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Now, are you an elder of the church?

15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much."

The brethren are called to confess their sins to one another, and pray for one another that they may be healed. Nowhere in these scriptures does it say anything about praying for and anointing an unsaved dying loved one!

But yet you say you would go and pray over an unsaved loved one and anoint them with oil and claim the promises of James 5:14-15, which would be going against the word of God and taking on an Eldership role that you have not been appointed to.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Salvation isn't a plan or formula. Salvation is a person, and His name is Jesus. He alone has authority to save in any given circumstance. You tie His hands...legalistically clinging to your interpretation. Leave all doors open for God. We get into so much trouble the moment we say, "God can't..."

It is written: Matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Didn't Jesus teach His apostles God's plan of salvation for the soul? And didn't He give them authority to preach His gospel, cast out demons, heal the sick, and raise the dead?

And how could any created being tie the hands of God?

You and many others cry legalism when one obeys the written word of God and believes what it says without adding carnal reasoning to what's written or leaning on one's own understanding, and then calls other believers to do the same. You say legalism; I say obedience!

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was a medic in the Army bro. Sometimes you have to carry the wounded because they can't walk on their own. And you never give up on trying to save them as long as they have breath in their lungs.

I'm God's medic. If someone is dying and crying out for mercy, hand me the oil...or... shut your trap and get out of my way.

I was in the National Guard and received the same basic training as you did, but it profited me nothing for my soul.

However, being a soldier of Jesus Christ is far more profitable and I am willing to lose my life for His name and the gospel. How about you?