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Old 01-12-2012, 03:04 AM
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I appreciate your review of the show as provided second hand (and based on watching one episode), but your obvious personal issues notwithstanding, the show is very well done, and the wages of sin have not yet taken their toll on Walt, but they will. It is the destruction of the lives of the people that he has come into contact with that I was referring to.

I understand this is personal for you, and I appreciate it. But don't get angry at me about it It is clearly hitting a raw nerve with you, but please take a breather and back off just a smidge
I am certainly not angry at you personally AP but I don't need anyone to pat my hand and tell me it will be OK either... I'm way past that. I got the news yesterday that the DA will likely seek the death penalty in my brothers case... the thing that has me up in the middle of the night...

You asked what makes a show garbage and I told you. in my opinion, one qualifier would be a show that glories in human destruction. Even if I have not seen it all for myself I believe I've got my facts pretty straight... I did a little internet research for the finer details before I posted and just about everybody i work with watches that show and talks about it. I think I do get more Walt stories because there is not a person in my small Texas town who does not know about my brother the killer/meth cook, the news has seen to that.

So far what I hear from you is that the show is well written. Artistic talent or even brilliance does not make something worthwhile for me. In addition to that I believe that we as a society have been systematically desensitized by television over a few short decades so that what was once shocking and horrific is now just run of the mill. There are studies that prove it. Do you see that as good? Do you really believe that you are of such superior intellect and built of such stronger stuff that you will not be influenced? If so you think much more highly of yourself than the creators of what you are watching who believe that they can indeed change social norms.

I am a big believer in personal freedoms so I do not make any attempt to regulate anything for anyone that does not physically hurt an innocent. But I do encourage people to take an honest look at what they allow to influence them and decide if it is to their benefit. I am transparent about my own life and struggles in the hopes that it will help someone else.

I do not find the good in the show we are discussing. If you do then I wish you would do a better job of describing what it is you believe makes it worth the time it would take to watch it.

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Old 01-12-2012, 09:52 AM
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So far what I hear from you is that the show is well written. Artistic talent or even brilliance does not make something worthwhile for me. In addition to that I believe that we as a society have been systematically desensitized by television over a few short decades so that what was once shocking and horrific is now just run of the mill. There are studies that prove it. Do you see that as good? Do you really believe that you are of such superior intellect and built of such stronger stuff that you will not be influenced? If so you think much more highly of yourself than the creators of what you are watching who believe that they can indeed change social norms.

I do not find the good in the show we are discussing. If you do then I wish you would do a better job of describing what it is you believe makes it worth the time it would take to watch it.
First let me say that I'm sorry about your brother. That must be extremely difficult.

Now. Artistic talent/brilliance alone does make certain things worthwhile to me. I won't dispute that. It's a story that is being told that I believe is both interesting, sad and engaging -- and it is absolutely not glamorizing meth. If you believe that it is, than you are not doing objective research.

Yes, we have all been desensitized. I won't deny it. Whether that has brought about the demise of society - it can't have helped.

Superior intellect? Well, what do you mean by influenced? Do I think that watching this show will make me want to cook meth? No I don't. Would any person in their right mind who watches the trail of death and destruction that Walt leaves in his path be encouraged to go down that road? I don't believe so. If that makes me of superior intellect or "stronger stuff", then I accept that

I am not claiming that the show is somehow "good" - like it should be shown in school or anything. But I think it does a good job showing the dangers of meth, the damage it does to families, the true nature of Walt and how he is no hero on the show.

I feel sad for the characters on the show, I'm glad I haven't gotten myself into their messes, and I like the anticipation of what will happen next. If that makes me an irresponsible viewer in your eyes, then so be it.

I personally think that people the do stupid things will have gotten around to doing them with or without a tv show.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:47 AM
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If that makes me an irresponsible viewer in your eyes, then so be it.

I personally think that people the do stupid things will have gotten around to doing them with or without a tv show.
I am not judging your motives or your level of responsibility. I would say that if you watch this show with children or even teens present you might want to rethink that.

What I am saying about societial norms is that our views have been changed and not for the good.

I work with openly gay doctors who bring their partners to our company Christmas party and not one person would dare object.

People openly discuss taking psychotropic drugs in the work place as if it a normal part of life and even joke about it... 'Today is an 80 mg day for sure'.

'Who I screwed on Satruday night after we all left the bar' is now appropriate lunch conversation.

And these are average employed women, not some gutter trash whores.

So one has to ask how we got there from here... and raunchy television leads the race as culpable in my opinion.

And also in my opinion there is no denying that Breaking Bad is a raunchy show, no matter how well written or acted or how interesting the subject matter.

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Old 01-12-2012, 10:58 AM
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Re: The Avengers!

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I am not judging your motives or your level of responsibility. I would say that if you watch this show with children or even teens present you might want to rethink that.

What I am saying about societial norms is that our views have been changed and not for the good.

I work with openly gay doctors who bring their partners to our company Christmas party and not one person would dare object.

People openly discuss taking psychotropic drugs in the work place as if it a normal part of life and even joke about it... 'Today is an 80 mg day for sure'.

'Who I screwed on Satruday night after we all left the bar' is now appropriate lunch conversation.

And these are average employed women, not some gutter trash whores.

So one has to ask how we got there from here... and raunchy television leads the race as culpable in my opinion.

And also in my opinion there is no denying that Breaking Bad is a raunchy show, no matter how well written or acted or how interesting the subject matter.
It's an ugly world out there, is it not? People are no longer ashamed of the things that they do. Talking about the pills I popped and the coke I snorted and the threesome I had with a swingers couple the night before is now considered small-talk.

Any mention of the Lord and you are told "Don't judge me."

( Isaiah 5:20 ) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Old 01-12-2012, 12:08 PM
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First let me say that I'm sorry about your brother. That must be extremely difficult.

Now. Artistic talent/brilliance alone does make certain things worthwhile to me. I won't dispute that. It's a story that is being told that I believe is both interesting, sad and engaging -- and it is absolutely not glamorizing meth. If you believe that it is, than you are not doing objective research.

Yes, we have all been desensitized. I won't deny it. Whether that has brought about the demise of society - it can't have helped.

Superior intellect? Well, what do you mean by influenced? Do I think that watching this show will make me want to cook meth? No I don't. Would any person in their right mind who watches the trail of death and destruction that Walt leaves in his path be encouraged to go down that road? I don't believe so. If that makes me of superior intellect or "stronger stuff", then I accept that

I am not claiming that the show is somehow "good" - like it should be shown in school or anything. But I think it does a good job showing the dangers of meth, the damage it does to families, the true nature of Walt and how he is no hero on the show.

I feel sad for the characters on the show, I'm glad I haven't gotten myself into their messes, and I like the anticipation of what will happen next. If that makes me an irresponsible viewer in your eyes, then so be it.

I personally think that people the do stupid things will have gotten around to doing them with or without a tv show.
We don't have TV at home by choice (in NYC you needed to get a converter box a couple of years ago to get a signal if you didn't have cable and we just didn't think it was worth it). When I go out to some place where there's tv, like the gym or the laundry, I realize that I'm really not missing a whole lot. I do watch DVDs and of course stuff online.

I was checking out The Brady Bunch (a DVD from the public library) and I hadn't seen it in many years. It gets a bad rap for being corny, cheesy, sappy etc, but you know that show dealt with death- the father (not sure about the mother) was a widow. Little things like how those characters dealt with each other addressed issues of humanity: jealousy, sharing, friendship, tolerance, getting along with others, fitting in. And really watching the episodes again, I didn't find them stupid or corny at all. Same thing with Andy Griffith's series which I never appreciated when I was young because I dismissed the show because all the characters were white country folk.

I read an article that shows like this were "aspirational"- they gave the audience something to aspire to. Breaking Bad might reflect reality (honestly I've never seen it- but dealing with all I have to deal with in life, I like to watch things that will either educate me or give me some sort of encouragement- like this is what people can aspire to and accomplish rather than these are the depths to which humanity can sink. I already know that.)

I've wanted to bring up another point that may seem kind of off:

I knew a man who was a staunch Oneness believer whose personal conviction was to not purchase any books or materials published by trinitarians, although he would read the stuff if someone gave it to him. When I asked him why he lived this way, he said, "Because these people will think that God is blessing them"- In other words, the trinitarian authors will have a false sense of justification because of the profits they're reaping by the popularity of their books.

There's a TV show called The Game that airs on BET. One of the actresses proclaims Christianity, yet in her role in this show, she wears sexy short clothes, uses profanity and portrays a character that is extremely promiscuous. So if we keep watching her work, are we in a way allowing her to justify that what she and others like her who profess Christ are doing is in some way a blessing? I see this show when I'm at the gym flipping the channels and this question crosses my mind.

Another actor who appears once in a blue moon on that same series gave testimony on some website that I can't find. His name is Chaz Lemar Shepherd (he was a buddy character in 7th Heaven). He said that he went to read for a role where he was playing a gangster and the script required that he curse. He said that his conviction was to not use that kind of language. So when he read for the part, he changed around the dialogue but did it in such a way that he was able to show that the character was even more vicuous and threatening than originally written. And he got the part.
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