Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No.

Where does the Fourth Commandment stipulate that you can't pick corn? lol

There were many stipulations in the Law of Moses regarding the Sabbath. For example, stipulations regarding lighting a fire and/or harvesting on the Sabbath:

Exodus 35:3
3 "You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day"

Exodus 34:21
21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

The disciples may have violated the ceremonial stipulations in the Law of Moses regarding its regulations on the Sabbath, but they didn't violate the Law of God. That was Christ's point. Jesus points out that even David violated the Law of Moses concerning the shewbread:

Matthew 12:1-8 (ESV)
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.” 3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

There is nothing in the Fourth Commandment about gleaning or doing what you must to eat and survive. Review it:

Exodus 20:8-11
{20:8}Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. {20:9} Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: {20:10} But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: {20:11} For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is,] and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You see, the Law of Moses was a body of cultural and ceremonial laws for the nation of Israel BASED on the Fourth Commandment. Jesus was preaching the Kingdom of God. All that is asked of us on the Sabbath according to the Law of God is:

-To remember the Sabbath
-Keep the day holy (set aside for sacred use)
-The entire household should rest

That's all.

The Law of Moses and the ordinances that were against us (with its sacrificial system) are nailed to the cross. Today we are to turn to Christ and walk in the Spirit. And the Spirit guides us in relation to God's Law. God's Law isn't abolished. It's simply that we need not keep the Law of God to be saved...we keep the Law of God because we are saved.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Also note the following:

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Interestingly, note how those who are faithful to the Lord are described in the book of Revelation:

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yes, even as a Christian, there are commandments to obey. But again, we don't obey them to be saved... we obey them because we are saved.

So what you are saying is that verse 8 is God's law and verse 9 and 10 is Moses law ?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by johnny44

So what you are saying is that verse 8 is God's law and verse 9 and 10 is Moses law ?

No. Here's what I'm saying...

Define "work"? According to this commandment alone... Is it unlawful to glean for one's basic necessity for food on the Sabbath? Is it unlawful to pull one's sheep from a ditch on the Sabbath? Is it unlawful to heal on the Sabbath?

No.

Jesus addressed these things. Now if someone wanted to work a double they didn't have to work to pay for a large screen plasma television, didn't stop to rest or take any devotional time, and didn't spend time with their family while working hard on their quest for a plasma television.... I'd say they've trashed the Sabbath.

But going to the grocery to feed yourself or our family? Nope.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No. Here's what I'm saying...

Define "work"? According to this commandment alone... Is it unlawful to glean for one's basic necessity for food on the Sabbath? Is it unlawful to pull one's sheep from a ditch on the Sabbath? Is it unlawful to heal on the Sabbath?

No.

Jesus addressed these things. Now if someone wanted to work a double they didn't have to work to pay for a large screen plasma television, didn't stop to rest or take any devotional time, and didn't spend time with their family while working hard on their quest for a plasma television.... I'd say they've trashed the Sabbath.

But going to the grocery to feed yourself or our family? Nope.

The Lord was angry with the people for trying to gather food on the Sabbath in Ex. 16:27-28 as per His instructions.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by johnny44

The Lord was angry with the people for trying to gather food on the Sabbath in Ex. 16:27-28 as per His instructions.

Yes... the Law of Moses was binding upon the nation of Israel, especially under the Old Covenant. Again, you're blending Law of Moses (placed in the SIDE of the ark) and the Law of God (placed inside the ark under the mercy seat). The two are related, yet distinct. Under the Old Covenant they are often considered a single body of law, the Law of Moses (for the nation of Israel) being based on the Law of God. However, under the New Covenant God is no longer dealing with the nation of Isreal. The Law of Moses with all it's ceremonial requirements, stipulations, observances, and sacrifices has been nailed to the cross. However, we are still called to be holy and obedient to God's "commandments". I believe this to be speaking of the moral Law of God, the Ten Commandments. The two governing principles are... Love God with all your being. Love your neighbor as yourself.