Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Dear Bro Blume

You are indeed a slippery one.

We will have a hard time making a sabbatarian out of you. So I gues I will have to let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth, including the Revelation of the Sabbath.

I was not a sabbath believer for many years, I even preached against the Sabbath and keeping the Ten Commandments for I considered them Law. But the Lord eventually opened my eyes to keeping the Sabbath.

Let there be peace among Jesus name people.

I am actually a truer sabbatarian than those who keep the seventh day. I recognize Jesus, Himself, the body -- as the Sabbath!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am actually a truer sabbatarian than those who keep the seventh day. I recognize Jesus, Himself, the body -- as the Sabbath!

Nothing replaces physical rest, nothing.

Since I've been in the Apostolic Movement (33 years), I've never understood the concept, "Jesus takes the place of the Sabbath" (rest).

The intent of the Sabbath is for physical rest, and Science and Medical studies prove that rest is a mental and physical necessity that Americans are avoiding because of greed.

And, the Church is no exception. The Church robs people of time and rest, and this mfblume, is caused by an inner motive to grow at any cost. I've watched more people walk away from Church because of too many obligations and programs that leave no time left to enjoy a day with no work involved.

We have several people in our Assembly who are from the Apostolic Assemblies Organization, and they were worked to death. If they didn’t participate in a fund raiser or outreach, out came the “Fear Bag”. They became so weary and burned out, they finally decided to move away from this “Faith by Works” religion.

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Nothing replaces physical rest, nothing.

Resting physically is not the issue. I already said we need a day of rest, but the day we choose is not an issue, either. I was talking about the deal as a religious commandment.

Since I've been in the Apostolic Movement (33 years), I've never understood the concept, "Jesus takes the place of the Sabbath" (rest).

The intent of the Sabbath is for physical rest, and Science and Medical studies prove that rest is a mental and physical necessity that Americans are avoiding because of greed.

No, it is for more than that. It was a HOLY day. Holiness has nothing to do with rest in itself.

And, the Church is no exception. The Church robs people of time and rest, and this mfblume, is caused by an inner motive to grow at any cost. I've watched more people walk away from Church because of too many obligations and programs that leave no time left to enjoy a day with no work involved.

We have several people in our Assembly who are from the Apostolic Assemblies Organization, and they were worked to death. If they didn’t participate in a fund raiser or outreach, out came the “Fear Bag”. They became so weary and burned out, they finally decided to move away from this “Faith by Works” religion.

Looks like you have more issues than negligence of a day of rest.

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In Colossians, Paul taught that he sought to present every one perfect to the Lord to whom he preached. In other words, have them rooted and grounded IN CHRIST. He went on in chapter 2 to say that there are treasures hidden in Christ that many who are in Him do not know about. They are hidden in Christ. Everything in Christ is there for anything we will ever need, but people do not know they're there.

Colossians 1:27-28 KJV To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (28) Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

This is when he approached the issue of the fulness of the Godhead indwelling Christ bodily. That is not a lesson on the Oneness versus trinity, but rather complementing what he said about our needs all found in Christ. He said we cannot let any man spoil (steal us out) from being in Christ through philosophy or traditions of men. But he also added something not many people catch the meaning for. Do not let anyone steal you from within Christ by the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD. THE RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD are the elements of LAW-KEEPING from the entire gamut of the Old Testament -- Genesis - Malachi. It is the same thing as saying the ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD in Galatians 4. Elementary school of Law.

Colossians 2:6-11 KJV As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: (7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. (8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (11) In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Circumcision was before Mosaic law, also, as Sabbath. But do sabbatarians demand that?

The principle in Colossians 2 is that nobody needs to tell you that you have to keep sabbath day to spiritually please the Lord for any spiritual purpose. Take it as a rest alone, but do so on any day. But as soon as you demand the seventh day, which the Old Testament said was HOLY, then a religious adherence is then involved.

The way we received Christ is by faith, and the way we continue walking in Him is therefore also by faith and not obedience to commandments that require the flesh to do or not do. There are things we must do and not do simply for the sake of not delving into sin, but not for the sake of CREATING righteousness in us that we need for heaven.

I am complete in Christ as far as what it takes for me to go to glory. Refraining from sin is not accomplished to CAUSE ME to go to glory but rather to MAINTAIN my status of being heaven-bound and not lose it by committing sins.

I am complete in Christ to such a degree that everything required in the OLD TESTAMENT to spiritually please God is automatically mine already just because I am in Christ. Christ is the embodiment of everything I need from God, including going-to-heaven-status.

And if anyone convinces someone else to ADD TO THAT IN-CHRIST STATUS that awards us all we need to make us fit for glory, they ARE SPOILING AND STEALING SOMEONE FROM BEING IN CHRIST.

That is why Gal 5 says we FALL FROM GRACE by circumcision. And Sabbath-keeping does the same, UNLESS one only does it for physical rest and not to please God in a way that means we are ready for glory.

It's like CHRIST is a HOUSE that is comprised of all we need to please God. And when we get inside this house, we are immersed into all we need to please God. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE CAN SIN and not be guilty and lose salvation. We LEAVE this house when we sin. But we can also LEAVE it by thinking we must add to our position of being in Christ to award us heaven and righteousness. THAT is what Col 2:8 is saying.

If someone convinces us to add to our position in Christ in order to make us righteous and fit for glory, they actually have removed us from Christ. Being IN CHRIST means we depend upon nothing else that we must DO in order to be right with God and fully fit for glory. SO, when we depend on MORE than simply being in Christ, then we are no longer in Him.

It seems anytime someone speaks of IN CHRIST status with God, those unfamiliar with it think they are proposing we can sin and not lose salvation. lol. No. It is only speaking of WHAT MAKES US READY FOR HEAVEN and what makes us RIGHTEOUS. Simply by being IN CHRIST, before we do one good deed, we are as righteous as He is, and thereby fully fit for glory! ALL OTHER IDEAS CONTRARY TO THIS ARE elements of LEGALISM.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Resting physically is not the issue. I already said we need a day of rest, but the day we choose is not an issue, either. I was talking about the deal as a religious commandment.

No, it is for more than that. It was a HOLY day. Holiness has nothing to do with rest in itself.

Looks like you have more issues than negligence of a day of rest.

Mike, here's what the Commandment says; But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why do you always dance around the facts? I just don't get it! The original intent of the Sabbath was for rest, period, bottom line!! Genesis says, God rested, that’s it! And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Holy Day dilemma grew with time, just like the Apostolic Movement grew with standards. Adding vain requirements to a day of rest was not God's doing, it was Man's doing.

If you throw Religion out the window, the Sabbath becomes what people knew before Scripture was even written; a time to recover mentally and physically. This lost commodity of rest within the Church has caused more Christians to get discouraged than anything else I know of. Work, work, work, otherwise the Kingdom will lose souls, and of course, MONEY!

I also feel that the divorce rate within the Church is just as high as outside the Church because people don’t slow down and appreciate the goodness of life and God’s Creation. People today are more interested in a big Church Production than sitting on a hillside in prayer by themselves.

And let me clarify; rest is not laziness, and laziness is not rest. The Sabbath or a day of rest cannot succeed with a blessing unless someone has worked or labored. It's really that simple!

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Mike, here's what the Commandment says; But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why do you always dance around the facts? I just don't get it! The original intent of the Sabbath was for rest, period, bottom line!! Genesis says, God rested, that’s it! And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Holy Day dilemma grew with time, just like the Apostolic Movement grew with standards. Adding vain requirements to a day of rest was not God's doing, it was Man's doing.

If you throw Religion out the window, the Sabbath becomes what people knew before Scripture was even written; a time to recover mentally and physically. This lost commodity of rest within the Church has caused more Christians to get discouraged than anything else I know of. Work, work, work, otherwise the Kingdom will lose souls, and of course, MONEY!

I also feel that the divorce rate within the Church is just as high as outside the Church because people don’t slow down and appreciate the goodness of life and God’s Creation. People today are more interested in a big Church Production than sitting on a hillside in prayer by themselves.

And let me clarify; rest is not laziness, and laziness is not rest. The Sabbath or a day of rest cannot succeed with a blessing unless someone has worked or labored. It's really that simple!

..."wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Nuff said.

Man, you do not even believe the bible! What's it to you?

I already said TWICE NOW that a man needs a day of rest. Don't you read? lol

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

..."wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Nuff said.

Man, you do not even believe the bible! What's it to you?

I already said TWICE NOW that a man needs a day of rest. Don't you read? lol

Hallowed (Blessed, Sanctified), it; shows how important “Rest” is.

Man, show me where I said I don't believe the Bible! I challenge the Bible, and that mfblume, is something everyone does! If people didn't challenge the Bible, we wouldn't have over 30,000 Christian Denominations on Earth.

What's it to you? You use the Bible and preach false concepts that deceive the listener!

So, if a man needs a day of rest, where do you draw the line?

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Hallowed (Blessed, Sanctified), it; shows how important “Rest” is.

Man, show me where I said I don't believe the Bible! I challenge the Bible, and that mfblume, is something everyone does! If people didn't challenge the Bible, we wouldn't have over 30,000 Christian Denominations on Earth.

What's it to you? You use the Bible and preach false concepts that deceive the listener!

So, if a man needs a day of rest, where do you draw the line?

You disbelieve the bible, not just challenge it. And you take its words and my words out of context. Sorry, I am interested in folks who believe the Bible is 100% true.

BTW, HALLOWED means MADE HOLY.