Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[TGBTG]

Brethren, reverting back to the Law is what Paul fought tooth and nail.

Consider this:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Let's stop trying to observe days that are a shadow of the real thing. Moreover, if we have the real thing. why revert back to the shadow?

Continuing:

Gal 4
9 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The Law given on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20) LEADS to BONDAGE!!! It's right there brethren!

[TGBTG]

Gal 4
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

As believers, we DO NOT observe days.

Sure, the RCC might have changed the "Sabbath" from Saturday to Sunday. However, that has no bearings on us as believers. Saturday is no more special to a believer than Sunday or Monday.

They are ALL days of the week...lol

Heb 4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

The reason for the Sabbath is to REST and CEASE from our works. If in Christ, we have ENTERED into that REST of God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tgbtg

brethren, reverting back to the law is what paul fought tooth and nail.

Consider this:
1 now i say, that the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 but is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 but when the fulness of the time was come, god sent forth his son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 and because ye are sons, god hath sent forth the spirit of his son into your hearts, crying, abba, father.
7 wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of god through christ.
8 howbeit then, when ye knew not god, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 but now, after that ye have known god, or rather are known of god, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 i am afraid of you, lest i have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
12 brethren, i beseech you, be as i am; for i am as ye are: Ye have not injured me at all.
13 ye know how through infirmity of the flesh i preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 and my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of god, even as christ jesus.

Let's stop trying to observe days that are a shadow of the real thing. Moreover, if we have the real thing. Why revert back to the shadow?

Continuing:

Gal 4
9 my little children, of whom i travail in birth again until christ be formed in you,
20 i desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for i stand in doubt of you.
21 tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 for it is written, that abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 but he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 which things are an allegory: For these are the two covenants; the one from the mount sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is agar.
25 for this agar is mount sinai in arabia, and answereth to jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The law given on mount sinai (exodus 20) leads to bondage!!! It's right there brethren!

agreed!

[Praxeas]

I wonder sometimes when people bounce around from doctrine to doctrine if they just don't feel complete in Him and are constantly looking for something new to believe in

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder sometimes when people bounce around from doctrine to doctrine if they just don't feel complete in Him and are constantly looking for something new to believe in

I depends on one's expression of faith. Some a "credal", meaning they have a set creed that they adhere to as dogma. Some are "confessional" having only the bare essential doctrines that they believe in articulated, yet leaving room for conversation regarding all other issues of faith and practice.

I'm more confessional. I enjoy asking questions, challenging dogma, seeking answers, and engaging in the conversation of faith.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder sometimes when people bounce around from doctrine to doctrine if they just don't feel complete in Him and are constantly looking for something new to believe in

I was thinking the same thing. One day it's partial preterism. Then its futurism with Islamic fulfillment. Then its sabbath keeping.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I was thinking the same thing. One day it's partial preterism. Then its futurism with Islamic fulfillment. Then its sabbath keeping.

So are you usually flagrantly insulting when you do not win others to your way of thinking? Pettiness of this type should be beneath you... Try to regain your composure. Although you are not particularly convincing in your argument it is not your fault. It's hard to go against the word of God and sound all smart and stuff

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I was thinking the same thing. One day it's partial preterism. Then its futurism with Islamic fulfillment. Then its sabbath keeping.

I'm not dogmatic. I believe that the quest for understanding truth is continual. Those who are so sold and dogmatic on any position are dangerous in my opinion. Why? Because you have all these "opinions" and each person is "betting" there soul that their's is the correct one. I'm more "rabbinical" in my approach. If you get a wealth of information leading to one conclusion, embrace it. If more information comes that would take you a different direction, take it. Never swear to understand all things. Never. Let the liars do that. lol

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm not dogmatic. I believe that the quest for understanding truth is continual. Those who are so sold and dogmatic on any position are dangerous in my opinion. Why? Because you have all these "opinions" and each person is "betting" there soul that their's is the correct one. I'm more "rabbinical" in my approach. If you get a wealth of information leading to one conclusion, embrace it. If more information comes that would take you a different direction, take it. Never swear to understand all things. Never. Let the liars do that. lol

It's not being erringly dogmatic. It's being on the other end of error. It's a case of every wind of doctrine. What textbook will you be pasting from next week?
No offense intended.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Brethren, reverting back to the Law is what Paul fought tooth and nail.

Consider this:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Let's stop trying to observe days that are a shadow of the real thing. Moreover, if we have the real thing. why revert back to the shadow?

Continuing:

Gal 4
9 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The Law given on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20) LEADS to BONDAGE!!! It's right there brethren!

This is always the Scripture I see trotted out for a defense of denying the Sabbath, and I gotta say it seems weak. It relates to the Sabbath only in that the Sabbath is a day, and I'm pretty sure the similarity ends there. This is not the kind of "days" that this verse means, but empty, meaningless days. They were sick with them at the time.

Yes, the Law leads to bondage, but you distort this to say "keeping the Sabbath" is now bondage, equal to "honoring your father and mother" is now bondage? And missing the point of the "bondage" here, to me; unless you feel somehow compelled to observe the Sabbath? Then I would agree with you.

While I don't think we are to cherish the Sabbath above Grace, Isaiah makes plain that the Sabbath will be observed again, at least if you understand his words here to be prophecy?