Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I wish you could get what we are saying.

Resting a certain day is simply common sense. What day? It does not matter. But under religious covenant, the day DID matter.

Well the day apparantly matter so much that God made note of it in Genesis, this was long befoere there was a religious covenant.

Also we must rembember that the Israelites kept the Sabbath way before there was a covent, for the covenant was establish at Mount Sinai, but the Sabbath was kept before that event.

So we know that before there was a religious covenant the day DID matter.

If something is establish only under a religious convenant, the rightfully it can be discarded when the covenant is not longer binding, but if something is established before the religous covenant, then it is rigth to assume that it still is valid, since it was established before.

The fact that the Sabbath was later added to the law with more instructions does not negate its validity.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well the day apparantly matter so much that God made note of it in Genesis, this was long befoere there was a religious covenant.

Also we must rembember that the Israelites kept the Sabbath way before there was a covent, for the covenant was establish at Mount Sinai, but the Sabbath was kept before that event.

So we know that before there was a religious covenant the day DID matter.

If something is establish only under a religious convenant, the rightfully it can be discarded when the covenant is not longer binding, but if something is established before the religous covenant, then it is rigth to assume that it still is valid, since it was established before.

The fact that the Sabbath was later added to the law with more instructions does not negate its validity.

So now, you're not arguing for keeping the law, but just the Sabbath?

Well, if you would consider this: Physical Circumcision was given way before the law came into place. So do you also teach physical circumcision?

How does this play into your reasoning? Why teach the keeping of a day and exclude physical circumcision?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

So now, you're not arguing for keeping the law, but just the Sabbath?

Well, if you would consider this: Physical Circumcision was given way before the law came into place. So do you also teach physical circumcision?

How does this play into your reasoning? Why teach the keeping of a day and exclude physical circumcision?

Lets keep this clear, I have never argued for keeping the Law of Moses, only for keeping the Law of God which was embeded in the Ten Commandments. Huge difference. and I will never stop arguing for the Law of God, which are the Ten Commandments.

The point I am making about the Sabbath is that it existed before there was even the Ten Commanments, so if anyone wants to get rid of the Sabbath because they do not believe the Ten commandments are enforcable, they still have to deal with the Sabbath which existed before them.

Physical circumcision was debated by the early church and was excluded by the church in Jerusalem, so it is not longer binding. The Sabbath was never debated by the early church, so it still stands. For no record of it being abrogated or changed is ever found in the scriptures.

Paul kept the Sabbath, so no you can not use the writtings of Paul to do away with the Sabbath. Paul would not do something and then contradict himself in his letters. Paul was consistent in his actions and theology. No one can use Paul's writing to contradict his actual actions.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Lets keep this clear, I have never argued for keeping the Law of Moses, only for keeping the Law of God which was embeded in the Ten Commandments. Huge difference. and I will never stop arguing for the Law of God, which are the Ten Commandments.

Paul was referring to the Law of God (as you call it) in Rom 7. How do you explain the fact that Paul said we're delivered from the Law and we're DEAD to the Law in Rom 7.

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The point I am making about the Sabbath is that it existed before there was even the Ten Commanments, so if anyone wants to get rid of the Sabbath because they do not believe the Ten commandments are enforcable, they still have to deal with the Sabbath which existed before them.

Where in the bible did God say we should keep the sabbath before 10 commandments?

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Physical circumcision was debated by the early church and was excluded by the church in Jerusalem, so it is not longer binding. The Sabbath was never debated by the early church, so it still stands. For no record of it being abrogated or changed is ever found in the scriptures.

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Paul kept the Sabbath, so no you can not use the writtings of Paul to do away with the Sabbath. Paul would not do something and then contradict himself in his letters. Paul was consistent in his actions and theology. No one can use Paul's writing to contradict his actual actions.

Scripture(s) for Paul keeping the Sabbath?

Why would Paul say this to the gentiles if they were to observe the Sabbath?
Col 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well the day apparantly matter so much that God made note of it in Genesis, this was long befoere there was a religious covenant.

That is OLD creation. It is a memorial of OLD creation. NEW creation is unending and involves a sabbath BEFORE we work whereas the old creation sabbath was the last day AFTER we work. There is actually a very spiritual picture involved here.

Anyway, Paul said keeping days is gone now.

Also we must rembember that the Israelites kept the Sabbath way before there was a covent, for the covenant was establish at Mount Sinai, but the Sabbath was kept before that event.

Matters not, still.

So we know that before there was a religious covenant the day DID matter.

If something is establish only under a religious convenant, the rightfully it can be discarded when the covenant is not longer binding, but if something is established before the religous covenant, then it is rigth to assume that it still is valid, since it was established before.

The fact that the Sabbath was later added to the law with more instructions does not negate its validity.

What negates the day's religious validity is the fact that the day of Sabbath was a SHADOW no matter when it started. Let's not add to the word. Sabbaths are sabbaths.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is OLD creation. It is a memorial of OLD creation. NEW creation is unending and involves a sabbath BEFORE we work whereas the old creation sabbath was the last day AFTER we work. There is actually a very spiritual picture involved here.

Anyway, Paul said keeping days is gone now.



Matters not, still.



What negates the day's religious validity is the fact that the day of Sabbath was a SHADOW no matter when it started. Let's not add to the word. Sabbaths are sabbaths.

No one here disagrees that the Sabbath is a shadow of a spiritual reality in Christ. We are just obeying God's commandments concerning the Sabbath because the Spirit has convicted us to embrace God's chosen day, from the beginning of creation, and the blessings of the sacred rthyms of rest.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is OLD creation. It is a memorial of OLD creation. NEW creation is unending and involves a sabbath BEFORE we work whereas the old creation sabbath was the last day AFTER we work. There is actually a very spiritual picture involved here.

Anyway, Paul said keeping days is gone now.



Matters not, still.



What negates the day's religious validity is the fact that the day of Sabbath was a SHADOW no matter when it started. Let's not add to the word. Sabbaths are sabbaths.

Not to mention what the LORD says concerning the Sabbath in the NEW creation:

Isaiah 66:21-23
21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Reverend Blume... don't you see it? It's right there.