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Old 02-14-2012, 11:59 AM
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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

Here's something I rarely see addressed:
Matthew 5:17-19
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
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Notice... both the man who obeys the commandment and the man who breaks the commandment enter the "kingdom of heaven". Their salvation isn't predicated upon their obedience to the Law. However, Jesus states that whosoever shall break one of the least of these commandmets, AND SHALL TEACH MEN TO DO SO, he shall be the least in the "kingdom of heaven".

Brethren, it sounds to me that while we cannot be saved by keeping the Law... our obedience to God's moral Law clearly determines our reward in eternity.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

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Re: Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

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Here's something I rarely see addressed:
Matthew 5:17-19
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
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First of all, Jesus said he came not to destroy, but that does not mean law still is in effect. He came not to destroy in the sense that he did not come to trash law and say it had no purpose. I already responded to what Jesus said in LUKE about not one tittle of the law passing til all be fulfilled. What Jesus said THERE that is not mentioned in Matthew is that Law was UNTIL JOHN. That means that although law would otherwise outlast heaven and earth, IT DID PASS by John's ministry! This is contrasting the power of John's ministry in contrast to the normal state of something outlasting heaven and earth.

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Notice... both the man who obeys the commandment and the man who breaks the commandment enter the "kingdom of heaven". Their salvation isn't predicated upon their obedience to the Law. However, Jesus states that whosoever shall break one of the least of these commandmets, AND SHALL TEACH MEN TO DO SO, he shall be the least in the "kingdom of heaven".
That is not what Jesus meant. LEAST in the kingdom means he is out of there! It means he has NO HONOUR in the kingdom. It actually means he has no place in the kingdom.
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First of all, Jesus said he came not to destroy, but that does not mean law still is in effect. He came not to destroy in the sense that he did not come to trash law and say it had no purpose. I already responded to what Jesus said in LUKE about not one tittle of the law passing til all be fulfilled. What Jesus said THERE that is not mentioned in Matthew is that Law was UNTIL JOHN. That means that although law would otherwise outlast heaven and earth, IT DID PASS by John's ministry! This is contrasting the power of John's ministry in contrast to the normal state of something outlasting heaven and earth.

That is not what Jesus meant. LEAST in the kingdom means he is out of there! It means he has NO HONOUR in the kingdom. It actually means he has no place in the kingdom.
The the Law as a binding covenant with the nation of Isreal was until John. The moral authority of the Law remains. Sin is still transgression of the Law.
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The the Law as a binding covenant with the nation of Isreal was until John. The moral authority of the Law remains. Sin is still transgression of the Law.
There is no distinction between moral authority of Law and religious ceremony.

Of course sin is still transgression of the law. What has that got to do with whether or not Law passed when John came?
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