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I don't agree... while we love our children because they are our children and we will love them even if they are unattractive, not very bright, etc. so will the Father love us. But there are many things that our children can do to make us smile. One of the best is when they do the things we have taught them... Not because they could not choose to do otherwise or because they fear us but because they love and respect us and desire for us to be pleased. It's a totally different thing. I believe that we can indeed make God smile.  |
OK.
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There were many festivals and sabbaths. They had nothing to do with the Sabbath that is part of creation's order and was repeated in the timeless commandments, which is the 7th day Sabbath.
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That is an ASSUMPTION you're reading into the text. Paul said Sabbath dayS. He did not exclude the one special Sabbath.
The 7th Sabbath day is STILL a Sabbath day.
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Do you then propose that we may now murder, covet, bare false witness, commit adultery?
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The sins you mentioned are works of the flesh. As believers, we are to be led by the Spirit, so we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It's not keeping the 10 commandments per se. It's about walking in the Spirit.
Gal 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders,
drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If we go by the 10 commandments to obey God, then DRUNKENNESS would be okay.
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No because these things were carried into the new covenant... as was the Sabbath, kept by Jesus Christ, all the 12 apostles, Paul and every other Christian for over 300 years. It is a simple as understanding baptism by immersion... It just was not done any other way even if not expounded on. Those non-Jews who were converted certainly did not follow every ceremonial detail of sabbath keeping but they did indeed have a day hallowed by God for rest and reflection and that day was the weeks last.
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The 10 commandments were NOT carried over INTO the new covenant.
Gal 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
The 10 commandments referred to by Paul here LEADS to BONDAGE. It did not carry over into the new covenant.
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Do you still refer to the 10 commandments or do you now call them the 'Nine Commandments'? And do they have any value to you at all?
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How can I observe something I'm DEAD unto?
Rom 8:4 Wherefore, my brethren,
ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God
The 10 commandments are not a moral law for me. It's about walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh.
Again, if I were to observe the 10 commandments, I would be getting drunk.
However, drunkenness is a desire of the flesh, so I do not indulge.
The Law shows me my SIN before I came to Christ. After I came to Christ, I now need to walk in the Spirit, not keep the Law.
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John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 3
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
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And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
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he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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