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02-18-2012, 04:00 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by seekerman
I've posted the passage over and over....here it is again....
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
A bishop *MUST BE*....the HUSBAND of one WIFE.
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Literal translation? Must have only one wife, not multiple ones. Not to be used to prove that a Bishop can only be a man.
If your argument is to hold water, then you would have to assume that based on this scripture in Timothy "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." must mean that only men can pray, and not women.
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02-18-2012, 04:59 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Literal translation? Must have only one wife, not multiple ones. Not to be used to prove that a Bishop can only be a man.
If your argument is to hold water, then you would have to assume that based on this scripture in Timothy "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." must mean that only men can pray, and not women.
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Poor comparison. Actually mentions husband of one wife.
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Or they will take the reins themselves
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02-18-2012, 06:11 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Poor comparison. Actually mentions husband of one wife.
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Changes nothing
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02-18-2012, 07:27 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Poor comparison. Actually mentions husband of one wife.
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I thought it was a pretty good comparison. Nomenclature in King James' era used the masculine quite often to refer to all "mankind". Which includes women by the way, even though the term is "man"kind.
But, that logic may be too much for your limited viewpoint.
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02-18-2012, 11:14 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I thought it was a pretty good comparison. Nomenclature in King James' era used the masculine quite often to refer to all "mankind". Which includes women by the way, even though the term is "man"kind.
But, that logic may be too much for your limited viewpoint.
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This isn't about mankind, it's about a bishop being a husband. If you believe marriage is between a man and woman, a husband is always, without exception, male. A bishop is to be a male, according to the requirements for a bishop.
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02-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
"A bishop *MUST BE*....the HUSBAND of one WIFE."
Literal translation? Must have only one wife, not multiple ones. Not to be used to prove that a Bishop can only be a man.
If your argument is to hold water, then you would have to assume that based on this scripture in Timothy "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." must mean that only men can pray, and not women.
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In the NAJ (New Adjusted Translation", "must be" should be eliminated, "husband" taken out, "wife" taken out so that the passage reads...
"a bishop should be breathing."
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02-18-2012, 07:28 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by seekerman
In the NAJ (New Adjusted Translation", "must be" should be eliminated, "husband" taken out, "wife" taken out so that the passage reads...
"a bishop should be breathing."
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I like it when people don't have a logical answer so they resort to sarcasm. Reveals the intellect, or lack thereof.
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02-18-2012, 09:42 PM
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Re: Women Bishop
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I like it when people don't have a logical answer so they resort to sarcasm. Reveals the intellect, or lack thereof.
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The answer is very plain and simple. Just follow the bible and the bible says that a bishop must be the husband of one wife. Many here don't like that direct and unapologetic message so they began massaging the passage, molding it, changing it to eventually say a bishop may, or may not, be the husband of one wife and can be the wife of one husband or maybe not be a wife or husband at all.
The basic fact that's not what it says doesn't deter them. The goal is to rewrite scripture to have scripture agree with them, not them agreeing with scripture. In other words, they want to be what the wish to be, do what they wish to do, live like they wish to live without the word of God interfering in their lives.
The rewriting of scripture reveals the spiritual intellect, or lack thereof, of individuals who simply cannot or will not live by God and His word.
Last edited by seekerman; 02-18-2012 at 09:45 PM.
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