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[Jay]

The problem that we have with the historical record is that it is woefully incomplete. Many times the people who left written records that have been passed on to posterity are often the ones who were performing persecutions. Thus many times the only records only allow for certain deductions.

Further, the only reason that we have this debate is that we have had perversions of Christianity around for since the year 200. The fact is that most of the 'reformers' never truly restored Biblical Christianity. Nor did those who came after them. In Scripture there is never any discussion of one vs three steps in salvation. There is only repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. In the United States and Candada, we have a time lag because of the false doctrines that need to be untangled. Many people wash out when they can not accept the truth. Thus what should be a single experience is broken into three.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Jay

The problem that we have with the historical record is that it is woefully incomplete. Many times the people who left written records that have been passed on to posterity are often the ones who were performing persecutions. Thus many times the only records only allow for certain deductions.

Further, the only reason that we have this debate is that we have had perversions of Christianity around for since the year 200. The fact is that most of the 'reformers' never truly restored Biblical Christianity. Nor did those who came after them. In Scripture there is never any discussion of one vs three steps in salvation. There is only repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. In the United States and Candada, we have a time lag because of the false doctrines that need to be untangled. Many people wash out when they can not accept the truth. Thus what should be a single experience is broken into three.

Bro. Jay, I am 72 yrs, and I had never heard the term 1-step vs 3-step until I saw it on the forum. I had heard the argument concerning the trinity doctrine. But as you said,
Repentance, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of the
Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues as the
Spirit gives the utterance, was and is the scriptural plan of salvation. I believe it is the only plan of salvation. Jesus Christ the same, yesterday and today and forever.

Falla39

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Jay, I am 72 yrs, and I had never heard the term 1-step vs 3-step until I saw it on the forum. I had heard the argument concerning the trinity doctrine. But as you said,
Repentance, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of the
Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues as the
Spirit gives the utterance, was and is the scriptural plan of salvation. I believe it is the only plan of salvation. Jesus Christ the same, yesterday and today and forever.

Falla39

I never heard about the different views of this either. I was always taught that you just obeyed Acts 2:38 and that was the only way. I had never heard any other 'Pentecostal' advocate any other formula. It was what is there in Scripture, and if people do not wish to believe it, or wish to take time to acheive full obedience to Scripture, then there is nothing that I can do about that except to pray for them.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Jay, I am 72 yrs, and I had never heard the term 1-step vs 3-step until I saw it on the forum. I had heard the argument concerning the trinity doctrine. But as you said,
Repentance, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of the
Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues as the
Spirit gives the utterance, was and is the scriptural plan of salvation. I believe it is the only plan of salvation. Jesus Christ the same, yesterday and today and forever.

Falla39

The bolded is as big of an issue (or much bigger) than the OP's give when saying that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible. And yes, I've heard people "add" that phrase when "quoting" Acts 2:38.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

The bolded is as big of an issue (or much bigger) than the OP's give when saying that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible. And yes, I've heard people "add" that phrase when "quoting" Acts 2:38.

Sadly I must disagree with you. It is only because others have chosen to make it an issue. However, if you get very many Christians who travel out of the country doing church work, they say that they see many people who will start speaking in tongues in other places. I listen to a preacher on the radio who has seen this many times. They are just less accepting of it here in the United States. However, this is due to pride and unbelief neither of which will enter into the kingdom of heaven.