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Old 05-15-2007, 11:43 PM
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So based on THAT Ron Paul is nutty?
Perhaps I should have said naive. It is the same old broken libetarian record. Non interventionism that is impossible in the modern world. Also minimalist government that is not realistic either. There would be chaos.

I consider the concept that if we just ignore the rest of the world they will go away and leave us alone as childish and not worth consideration. Anyone that advocates it is dimwitted in my opinion.
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:09 AM
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Perhaps I should have said naive. It is the same old broken libetarian record. Non interventionism that is impossible in the modern world. Also minimalist government that is not realistic either. There would be chaos.

I consider the concept that if we just ignore the rest of the world they will go away and leave us alone as childish and not worth consideration. Anyone that advocates it is dimwitted in my opinion.
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Main Entry: non·in·ter·ven·tion
Pronunciation: -"in-t&r-'ven(t)-sh&n
Function: noun
: the state or policy of not intervening <nonintervention in the affairs of other countries>
It is impossible to NOT intervene in the affairs of other countries?

Non intervention has been the republican stand up until Bush and, to quote Ron Paul, it has served them well.
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:08 AM
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Perhaps I should have said naive. It is the same old broken libetarian record. Non interventionism that is impossible in the modern world. Also minimalist government that is not realistic either. There would be chaos.
IF YOU THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I consider the concept that if we just ignore the rest of the world they will go away and leave us alone as childish and not worth consideration. Anyone that advocates it is dimwitted in my opinion.
So typical of someone who doesn't understand that Ron Paul's position is the same position many of the founding fathers held. You are a traitor to America by suggesting as you did here that the founding fathers were "dimwitted"!

George Washington said, "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is—in extending our commercial relations—to have with them as little political connection as possible."

James Madison wrote, "Of all enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few."

John Quincy Adams said, "Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America’s heart, her benedictions, and her prayers. But she does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

19th century politician Henry Clay explained to Hungarian patriot Louis Kossuth that if America gave aid to his cause, we would have abandoned "our ancient policy of amity and non-intervention." He explained further: "By the policy to which we have adhered since the days of Washington. . . we have done more for the cause of liberty in the world than arms could effect; we have shown to other nations the way to greatness and happiness. . . . Far better is it for ourselves, for Hungary, and the cause of liberty, that, adhering to our pacific system and avoiding the distant wars of Europe, we should keep our lamp burning brightly on this western shore, as a light to all nations, than to hazard its utter extinction amid the ruins of fallen and falling republics in Europe."

Lincoln's Secretary of State William Seward (the man who bought Alaska from Russia) responded to France's request for the United States to help Poland by defending, "our policy of non-intervention—straight, absolute, and peculiar as it may seem to other nations."

A Yale University professor in the late 1800s named William Graham Sumner opposed the expansionist leanings of the then-current Administration when he said regarding the founding fathers, "They would have no court and no pomp; nor orders, or ribbons, or decorations, or titles. They would have no public debt. There was to be no grand diplomacy, because they intended to mind their own business, and not be involved in any of the intrigues to which European statesmen were accustomed. There was to be no balance of power and no 'reason of state' to cost the life and happiness of citizens."
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