Planned Parenthood Plans 40 Days of Prayer (L)

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by jfrog

What's sickening to me is those that compare abortion to murdering a baby and then say its okay for abortions to take place in certain circumstances. If abortion is really murder yall need to go all in and propose to ban it in all forms and for all causes.

Many of us do.... especially in the most conservative evangelical circles.... not an uncommon stand at all.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Many of us do.... especially in the most conservative evangelical circles.... not an uncommon stand at all.

I've never heard one of you call a pregnant woman a murderer because she had an abortion when having an innocent little baby would have a good chance of killing her.
I've never heard one of you call a raped woman who had an abortion a murderer either.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I've never heard one of you call a pregnant woman a murderer because she had an abortion when having an innocent little baby would have a good chance of killing her.
I've never heard one of you call a raped woman who had an abortion a murderer either.

LOL, when I say I'm against abortion, I didn't know that I needed to clarify that I'm against it in all cases..... and frankly, since I've been in this forum, the question of rape, incest, or harm to the mother never has come up.

So for the record, I, and many I know believe that a raped woman that aborts the child is a murderer, absolutely. There are NO SITUATIONS where I believe abortion is permittable.... and I've heard countless other evangelicals over the years that I'm familiar with say the same thing. A pregnant woman that is told having her child could kill her is also a murderer if she aborts that baby.

So there ya go!!!!!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

LOL, when I say I'm against abortion, I didn't know that I needed to clarify that I'm against it in all cases..... and frankly, since I've been in this forum, the question of rape, incest, or harm to the mother never has come up.

So for the record, I, and many I know believe that a raped woman that aborts the child is a murderer, absolutely. There are NO SITUATIONS where I believe abortion is permittable.... and I've heard countless other evangelicals over the years that I'm familiar with say the same thing. A pregnant woman that is told having her child could kill her is also a murderer if she aborts that baby.

So there ya go!!!!!

Hypothetical situation for you:

Let's say your wife was about to give birth, and the doctor told you, "If she has this baby it will kill her - I can abort the baby and save your wife's life, or she can proceed, die during childbirth, but the baby will live"

What would you do?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Hypothetical situation for you:

Let's say your wife was about to give birth, and the doctor told you, "If she has this baby it will kill her - I can abort the baby and save your wife's life, or she can proceed, die during childbirth, but the baby will live"

What would you do?

First, this is a false scenario according to many medical doctors. The goal must be to preserve life of the mother and child.

The baby may need to be taken early - even extremely early. It is not necessary to wait 40 weeks. Babies are now considered viable at 24 weeks, and some have survived at 21 weeks. At that age, a medical birth is quite often less traumatic to the mother than killing the baby off by abortion.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

First, this is a false scenario according to many medical doctors. The goal must be to preserve life of the mother and child.

The baby may need to be taken early - even extremely early. It is not necessary to wait 40 weeks. Babies are now considered viable at 24 weeks, and some have survived at 21 weeks. At that age, a medical birth is quite often less traumatic to the mother than killing the baby off by abortion.

I don't believe it's a false scenario at all, it may not be common place, but it certainly happens in some instances. I actually know of a couple to whom this happened, and they both chose the life of the child. The mother died in labor, but the baby was healthy.

Again, would just like to have some discussion on the topic.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I don't believe it's a false scenario at all, it may not be common place, but it certainly happens in some instances. I actually know of a couple to whom this happened, and they both chose the life of the child. The mother died in labor, but the baby was healthy.

Again, would just like to have some discussion on the topic.

Wow, what a horrible choice to have to make. So they murdered the mother instead? Or would she have survived if they had aborted the baby?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

First, this is a false scenario according to many medical doctors. The goal must be to preserve life of the mother and child.

The baby may need to be taken early - even extremely early. It is not necessary to wait 40 weeks. Babies are now considered viable at 24 weeks, and some have survived at 21 weeks. At that age, a medical birth is quite often less traumatic to the mother than killing the baby off by abortion.

It actually isn't a false scenario.... Just very very uncommon. We're talking a small fraction of one percent of all current abortions where it is TRULY the "mother or the babies life! Choose!".

A more disturbing occurrence for me is the other big allowance brought up which is "in cases of rape or incest". Sitting here it is rather easy to tell someone else that being raped is no excuse to kill the life within, but then I imagine a hypothetical situation where my wife was raped and pray to God that He gives me the strength to not drive her right down to the local clinic to get the perps "offspring" flushed down the nearest toilet as soon as possible. Incidentally pregnancy from rape isn't nearly as common as all the other reasons either.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

There are literally thousands of doctors who do not believe in murder/abortion under any circumstances.

Here is the position statement of AAPLOG Prolife OBGYNS

Abortion is the purposeful killing of the unborn in the termination of a pregnancy. AAPLOG opposes abortion. When extreme medical emergencies that threaten the life of the mother arise (chorioamnionitis or HELLP syndrome could be examples), AAPLOG believes in “treatment to save the mother’s life,” including premature delivery if that is indicated — obviously with the patient’s informed consent. This is NOT “abortion to save the mother’s life.” We are treating two patients, the mother and the baby, and every reasonable attempt to save the baby’s life would also be a part of our medical intervention. We acknowledge that, in some such instances, the baby would be too premature to survive.

http://www.aaplog.org/

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It actually isn't a false scenario.... Just very very uncommon. We're talking a small fraction of one percent of all current abortions where it is TRULY the "mother or the babies life! Choose!".

A more disturbing occurrence for me is the other big allowance brought up which is "in cases of rape or incest". Sitting here it is rather easy to tell someone else that being raped is no excuse to kill the life within, but then I imagine a hypothetical situation where my wife was raped and pray to God that He gives me the strength to not drive her right down to the local clinic to get the perps "offspring" flushed down the nearest toilet as soon as possible. Incidentally pregnancy from rape isn't nearly as common as all the other reasons either.

I am not saying there never needs to be medical intervention to prevent a mother from dying... The point is you are treating two patients.

as a side-note, significantly higher maternal mortality rates are associated with abortion than with childbirth.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It actually isn't a false scenario.... Just very very uncommon. We're talking a small fraction of one percent of all current abortions where it is TRULY the "mother or the babies life! Choose!".

A more disturbing occurrence for me is the other big allowance brought up which is "in cases of rape or incest". Sitting here it is rather easy to tell someone else that being raped is no excuse to kill the life within, but then I imagine a hypothetical situation where my wife was raped and pray to God that He gives me the strength to not drive her right down to the local clinic to get the perps "offspring" flushed down the nearest toilet as soon as possible. Incidentally pregnancy from rape isn't nearly as common as all the other reasons either.

I am not against abortion in all circumstances. Maybe because I have seen many young girls whose pregnancy was the product of incest. Girls as young as age 11, pregnant by fathers, uncles and older brothers. I do not think that on top of the trauma of having been sexually molested or assaulted these girls or young women should also have to undergo an unwanted pregnancy. Adding shame to their situation by saying that they commit murder, is cruel.

In the case of the life or health of the mother being at risk. PIH, DIC, eclampsia, severe medical conditions such as IDDM that are exacerbated by pregnancy or where the mother has to choose between not taking needed medication for her own medical condition or giving birth to a damaged baby from medication side effects as in cancer requiring chemotherapy or some severe seizure disorders, etc.

And lastly for genetic disorders or physical anomalies of the fetus that are incomparable with life such as anencephaly or severe heart defects.. To make a woman endure 9 months of pregnancy, explaining and reexplaining how her baby will die when born followed by the birth and death of the baby are just too much for most families.

To say that it is NEVER appropriate for a pregnancy to be terminated is just farther than I can go. I believe that a medical board could review each case and decide if termination is appropriate. It is commonly done for other controversial medical treatments.

However I in NO way support abortion on demand.