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[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I was born in Northeast Tn (further east than knoxville) and maybe I'm out of the loop but I've never heard of a miscarried baby being buried.

Can take you to Goins Cemetary in East Campbell County, just between the Victory and Alder Springs communities. I know of at least 3 graves there for miscarried babies. These are from the mid to late 70's. And several more still born babies from various years and families. Many of these families delivered at home and had no doctor or healthcare giver available.

More graves over in Victory Church cemetery also in Campbell County. I know of 2 in Union County, because I attended the grave side funerals, both of these were miscarriages.

2 years ago, I went to a grave side for an Apostolic Pastor who he and his wife had a miscarriage.... here in the Middle TN area....

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Can take you to Goins Cemetary in East Campbell County, just between the Victory and Alder Springs communities. I know of at least 3 graves there for miscarried babies. These are from the mid to late 70's. And several more still born babies from various years and families. Many of these families delivered at home and had no doctor or healthcare giver available.

More graves over in Victory Church cemetery also in Campbell County. I know of 2 in Union County, because I attended the grave side funerals, both of these were miscarriages.

2 years ago, I went to a grave side for an Apostolic Pastor who he and his wife had a miscarriage.... here in the Middle TN area....

This goes along with what I'm saying that miscarried babies being buried was rare. I would suspect that stillborns are buried quite more often then miscarried babies. But regardless it's apparent that since miscarried babies are not typically buried that they are thought of as something other than a born baby. Yes we can find examples of all kinds of weird practices but I think you can agree that the norm was not for miscarried babies to be buried.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

This goes along with what I'm saying that miscarried babies being buried was rare. I would suspect that stillborns are buried quite more often then miscarried babies. But regardless it's apparent that since miscarried babies are not typically buried that they are thought of as something other than a born baby. Yes we can find examples of all kinds of weird practices but I think you can agree that the norm was not for miscarried babies to be buried.

Miscarried babies are typically discovered at a doctors appointment. They are then extracted in a medical procedure called Suction Dilatation and Curettage. The 'remains' are sent to the pathology lab to be examined for completeness and disease possibilities. No one ever offers to return them to parents and indeed parents that ask are treated as weird.

Miscarried fetuses passed at home are usually accompanied by heavy bleeding and dropped in a toilet, making them hard to find and/or recover.

The simple truth is that there is just not usually anything to bury. It is in no way a sign that the family has not suffered a loss or does not grieve.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Miscarried babies are typically discovered at a doctors appointment. They are then extracted in a medical procedure called Suction Dilatation and Curettage. The 'remains' are sent to the pathology lab to be examined for completeness and disease possibilities. No one ever offers to return them to parents and indeed parents that ask are treated as weird.

Miscarried fetuses passed at home are usually accompanied by heavy bleeding and dropped in a toilet, making them hard to find and/or recover.

The simple truth is that there is just not usually anything to bury. It is in no way a sign that the family has not suffered a loss or does not grieve.

When a person dies and he has no remains left there will often be a memorial service for that person. Even if there is nothing to bury why is a memorial service type thing not held?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

When a person dies and he has no remains left there will often be a memorial service for that person. Even if there is nothing to bury why is a memorial service type thing not held?

If a person dies who has not friends and few family members there will be no one at a memorial service. My mother died March 1st. She had outlived almost all her friends and most of her family. She has also moved very far away from all of us to be with my brother. There was no service. I viewed her body at the hospital, had a funeral home pick her up and she was cremated. They mailed me her ashes in a box.

These types of arrangements are very common now and if everybody that you know that dies has a funeral you must run around in some sheltered circles. It has never been that the majority of adult humans who die on planet earth in any given time period have funerals.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

If a person dies who has not friends and few family members there will be no one at a memorial service. My mother died March 1st. She had outlived almost all her friends and most of her family. She has also moved very far away from all of us to be with my brother. There was no service. I viewed her body at the hospital, had a funeral home pick her up and she was cremated. They mailed me her ashes in a box.

These types of arrangements are very common now and if everybody that you know that dies has a funeral you must run around in some sheltered circles. It has never been that the majority of adult humans who die on planet earth in any given time period have funerals.

I think you are very mistaken on that.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think you are very mistaken on that.

And I you. Do you live in a bubble frog?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Miscarried babies are typically discovered at a doctors appointment. They are then extracted in a medical procedure called Suction Dilatation and Curettage. The 'remains' are sent to the pathology lab to be examined for completeness and disease possibilities. No one ever offers to return them to parents and indeed parents that ask are treated as weird.

Miscarried fetuses passed at home are usually accompanied by heavy bleeding and dropped in a toilet, making them hard to find and/or recover.

The simple truth is that there is just not usually anything to bury. It is in no way a sign that the family has not suffered a loss or does not grieve.

By the way Bro. Robbins testimony of having seen graves for miscarried babies seems to show that if people had really wanted to do a burial for a miscarried baby that they could have. His testimoney takes quite a bit away from the argument that they didn't bury miscarried babies because there was nothing to bury.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

By the way Bro. Robbins testimony of having seen graves for miscarried babies seems to show that if people had really wanted to do a burial for a miscarried baby that they could have. His testimoney takes quite a bit away from the argument that they didn't bury miscarried babies because there was nothing to bury.

You have started to contradict yourself frog. There are USUALLY no remains. That does not stop someone from having a funeral if they desire... when people die in manners where remains are not left one can still have a funeral with an empty casket representing the decedent or a memorial service or NOT... It's up to the families. Most choose to grieve privately for babies lost early in pregnancy as a public announcement would often go to those who did not even know they had ever been pregnant. Also sadly women still feel some shame at losing a pregnancy... many will ask what they 'did wrong to cause it'... So it's not something they want to share with everyone.

How is it that you are judging others grief or using it as a yardstick to try to prove that a fetus is not a human? This is twisting off into something bizarre and convoluted. I have to concur with AYR that you are simply willfully deluded on this topic. So peace out frog.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

You have started to contradict yourself frog. There are USUALLY no remains. That does not stop someone from having a funeral if they desire... when people die in manners where remains are not left one can still have a funeral with an empty casket representing the decedent or a memorial service or NOT... It's up to the families. Most choose to grieve privately for babies lost early in pregnancy as a public announcement would often go to those who did not even know they had ever been pregnant. Also sadly women still feel some shame at losing a pregnancy... many will ask what they 'did wrong to cause it'... So it's not something they want to share with everyone.

How is it that you are judging others grief or using it as a yardstick to try to prove that a fetus is not a human? This is twisting off into something bizarre and convoluted. I have to concur with AYR that you are simply willfully deluded on this topic. So peace out frog.

You're the one contradicting yourself. You first said they couldn't have a funeral because there was no remains, nothing to bury. Now you're saying they can have a funeral with an empty casket if they wish which must mean they don't wish to.

It should be a very legit to question why people grieve in different ways over a born baby than an unborn one. At least I would think that descrepancy would be worth noting and investigating?