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Originally Posted by jfrog
For a religious woman you take a very naturalistic approach to humanity. You've not mentioned a soul once or that all humans will have an afterlife. The human soul is the reason most people here will not agree with you that we cease to be human when we die.
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For one, I am not a "religious" woman in the sense that I adhere to religious regulations. I believe God and His word. I believe that Jesus is God who came to earth wrapped in a robe of flesh. I belief in Jesus Name baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. I try to live what Christ taught us in the gospels and what is taught in the New Testament without all the legalism. I once got into the trap of the legalistic conditions that one must look like, speak and act in order to have membership in an organized church system. I am not even thought of as being a "Christian" by some christian members of any organization because I rarely attend the organizational churches. Unlike many people in the church system or even those who got hurt and left the church system, I've made up my mind years ago that what God thinks is the only thing I care about and nobody's judgment of me will affect me enough to quit loving God. That includes you. You see, I don't care what you think or how you try to paint me as a hypocrite. You don't know me. You only come here to try to blitzkrieg posts like your signature says. (more about that at the end of this post) The more you post here shows me who
you are, what you believe, and it is not consistent with what Christ teaches. Would Christ teach that women could abort their babies because it is not convenient for them to bear them, raise them and nurture them? No. He taught that whoever shall offend one of the little ones, it would be better for a millstone to be hung around his neck and cast into the sea. That is how much Christ loves and protects little children and they would not even become little children if they are snuffed out before birth.
Could you actually stand before Christ and argue with HIM that a fetus isn't human because it has not been born yet?
I've not mentioned the soul because I thought that was a given..that everybody knew the human being is made up of spirit, soul and body (flesh). I didn't think that I had to write a dissertation on a forum for something I thought everybody already knew.
How can a dead human being still be human? The flesh and blood ceases to exist. It rots and turns back into dust. The dead body lacks a spirit and a soul. The Spirit goes back to God who gave it and the soul goes either heaven or hell....whichever God judges that person's deeds. The human being ceases to be mortal when the flesh and blood dies. This mortal body experiences corruption and God will give us a new body at the resurrection. But we will not be human beings, we will be as the angels in heaven.
But what does your demand for my definition of what a human being have to do with whether a fetus is human or not?
The only one who demands every jot and tittle of explanation on paper is you...I suppose that in hope so that you can try to trap people in their words. Yet, you rarely explain anything yourself. Heh. Nice try.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
I asked for scriptural support of your belief and you quoted some passage in Jeremiah about God knowing him before the womb. You've yet to explain how that is scriptural proof that life begins at conception.
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When I give you scripture, you reject it. I wonder how I knew you would.
I think Jeremiah is pretty self explanatory to those who read and pray. When God formed Jeremiah in the belly, he also formed the spirit and soul for the body to grow. He knew Jeremiah's spirit before He formed him in the belly. What other way would you interpret that scripture? That is something YOU haven't explained. Why don't you give us your explanation of that scripture ?
But, since you did not like that scripture, here is another scripture that you will most likely reject because you simply want to delude yourself into thinking that fetuses are not human until ...when???
10 And not only this; but when
Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
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For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Roman 9:10-12
Paul called Jacob and Esau
children while they were yet inside the womb.
There are more, but I think that you would find all sorts of excuses to reject them.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
I can find a bunch of doctors and government types that will say just the opposite of yours. So what?
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I'm sure you can and you wouldn't have to look far. But they cannot give unrefutable compelling evidence such as the physician did in the video, The Silent Scream did.
You won't watch it unless I watch some of your videos? How childish. You just admitted that you are like a block of concrete....all mixed up and set in stone. I think that you do not want to watch the video because it might just touch something in you...maybe. Or maybe you are squeamish..can't stand the sight of seeing a baby ripped apart in the womb. Maybe you don't want to see it's little mouth open up wide in a scream that you can see, but won't hear because it's flesh and bones are being ripped and shattered with only it's head left floating inside the womb. That would shatter your illusion that the baby inside is not a human being. That God couldn't possibly think enough of a "fetus" to give him/her a spirit and soul along with it's growing body. Perhaps you are not man or woman (whatever you are behind your blitzkrieg name) enough to take a good look at the reality of abortion and rethink your position. Perhaps your pride won't let you rescind that brick hard stance of viewing a helpless baby in the womb as being a human being.
For those of you who never thought about frog's signature--You better watch out before I blitzkrieg your thread cause I'm the Thread Nazi now....
From Wikipedia:
Blitzkrieg (German, "lightning war") is an anglicised word describing all-motorised force concentration of tanks, infantry, artillery, combat engineers and air power, concentrating overwhelming force at high speed to break through enemy lines, and, once the lines are broken, proceeding without regard to its flank.
Through constant motion, the blitzkrieg attempts to keep its enemy off-balance, making it difficult to respond effectively at any given point before the front has already moved on.
So are the people here considered to be your enemy frog? You have hopelessly mangled this thread by your confusing questions and offense tactics used here to try to make accusations of Christian hypocrisy over this abortion issue?
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