Ever Walked Out of a Church Service???

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Could be... but hardly as damaging as doing it in a service, where there are new converts, possibly some lost folks, young people, etc. The immediate damage of their stinging words and stinking attitude causes much more damage than someone taking a swing in this forum at someone. Bragging over that level of damage and harm is almost to the level of an abomination to me.

I'll say this... yes, I'm conservative, and yes I have some strong convictions and beliefs. But I will never approach the pulpti with an agenda or vindetta. God didn't call me to set anybody straight. I preach the Word, and lay the meal before them. They decide to eat or not. Yes, the Word should challenge us all... but was never meant to be a weapon used on one another... but a tool.

I reminded by friend again this morning that Ephesians 4 says that he was called for the "perfecting" or literally the "equipping" of the saints. I asked him via text, who did you equip last night? Who did you give something to last night that made them stronger in their walk with God, that encouraged them to keep on going on when they made the effort to come out to Revival on a Thursday night... who did you equip by "laying into them."

He hasn't texted back... and may not.... oh well.

Going to have to disagree with you to a point on the bolded. A forum isn't a service - but- it can (and this one does) impact a far greater number of people.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Azzan

Going to have to disagree with you to a point on the bolded. A forum isn't a service - but- it can (and this one does) impact a far greater number of people.

May be a larger number of folks, but most folks that approach an online forum come expecting dissenting opinions, provocative discussions, and disagreements. People enter in a forum like this expecting opposing views for discussion, thereby most come with some defenses in place and let "lay into them" comments roll off of them pretty easy. It doesn't create as much division and disharmony as this is not the same type of gathering. The number of folks may be larger... but the impact is less deep because of the nature most approach it with.

Most folks don't expect to attend a Revival meeting at their own church and have some little preacher that is visiting get up and tell them how wrong they are and how they're going to split hell wide open when he was asked to greet them and testify. It's an unexpected shot from left field for them...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

May be a larger number of folks, but most folks that approach an online forum come expecting dissenting opinions, provocative discussions, and disagreements. People enter in a forum like this expecting opposing views for discussion, thereby most come with some defenses in place and let "lay into them" comments roll off of them pretty easy. It doesn't create as much division and disharmony as this is not the same type of gathering. The number of folks may be larger... but the impact is less deep because of the nature most approach it with.

Most folks don't expect to attend a Revival meeting at their own church and have some little preacher that is visiting get up and tell them how wrong they are and how they're going to split hell wide open when he was asked to greet them and testify. It's an unexpected shot from left field for them...

And I have to disagree with you. I don't know why the dynamics of this forum change sometimes. Sometimes vile, hateful words spew out of people's hearts, and cut other people's heart. The difference is here they get called out on it some. Maybe if you had called this "brother out" on his behavior it might change things. Since your "loving" him hasn't. But, I guess it might be hard to be that courageous for the people he is laying into. Hope this isn't too critical.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Cindy

And I have to disagree with you. I don't know why the dynamics of this forum change sometimes. Sometimes vile, hateful words spew out of people's hearts, and cut other people's heart. The difference is here they get called out on it some. Maybe if you had called this "brother out" on his behavior it might change things. Since your "loving" him hasn't. But, I guess it might be hard to be that courageous for the people he is laying into. Hope this isn't too critical.

You're post isn't too critical, it's irresponsible. Sister, either you didn't read the whole thread, or you didn't read it close, because I stated at least a couple of times that I did call him out on it... that's very obvious in what I've said. Loving him or calling him out isn't an either or... it actually can be a both.... that's where he doesn't understand that and apparently you don't either.

As far as this forum... again, you didn't read what I wrote close enough, so I'll break it down again for you. With all due respect Sister, I never said that people couldn't be nasty, argumentative, and even vile about it. The difference of this forum and the church service is that people come to internet forum's for dialogue and discussion, and the possibility of nastiness and vitriole are possibilities that anyone with a clue knows happens in internet forums. They'd have to be totally naive to the very nature of internet forums if they don't think there's gonna be someone pulling inappropriate punches every now and then in them. They come to these forums, unless they are absolutely naive and live under a rock, ready for it.

But I would assert very few go to a church service on a Thursday night just trying to support thier church and do what's right and expect a little scrawny preacher that is visiting to get up and lay into them when he was just asked to testify and greet them. Surely, you can see the difference? I mean, isn't it obvious?

And yes, I don't really appreciate your post, because I can't see if you have read my posts thoroughly how you could ever come to the conclusion you did in your reply. Just doesn't make sense to me.

SideNote: NUMBER ONE PET PEEVE IN INTERNET FORUMS!!!! People not reading posts thoroughly and then decide to post something off based!!!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

You're post isn't too critical, it's irresponsible. Sister, either you didn't read the whole thread, or you didn't read it close, because I stated at least a couple of times that I did call him out on it... that's very obvious in what I've said. Loving him or calling him out isn't an either or... it actually can be a both.... that's where he doesn't understand that and apparently you don't either.

As far as this forum... again, you didn't read what I wrote close enough, so I'll break it down again for you. I never said that people couldn't be nasty, argumentative, and even vile about it. The difference of this forum and the church service is that people come to internet forum's for dialogue and discussion, and the possibility of nastiness and vitriole are possibilities that anyone with a clue knows happens in internet forums. They'd have to be totally naive to the very nature of internet forums if they don't think there's gonna be someone pulling inappropriate punches every now and then in them. They come to these forums, unless they are absolutely naive and live under a rock, ready for it.

But I would assert very few go to a church service on a Thursday night just trying to support thier church and do what's right and expect a little scrawny preacher that is visiting to get up and lay into them when he was just asked to testify and greet them.

And yes, your post does tick me off, because if you'd actually read what I posted and read it clearly you'd see just how off based your post really is!

NUMBER ONE PET PEEVE IN INTERNET FORUMS!!!! PEOPLE WHO DON"T READ CLEARLY and then decide to post something off based becaue they didn't take the time to read thoroughly!!!!!!! Ok, got that out of my system, I'm better now!

I meant to call him out in when it happened, not later. Stand up when it happens, was my point. But, you don't agree with that probably either.
And yes, I did read and comprehend what you posted.

I was shocked the way some posted on this forum when I first joined. And really got into it with some for what I called "Pastor Bashing", language, etc. Attitude matters even on forums.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I meant to call him out in when it happened, not later. Stand up when it happens, was my point. But, you don't agree with that probably either.
And yes, I did read and comprehend what you posted.

I was shocked the way some posted on this forum when I first joined. And really got into it with some for what I called "Pastor Bashing", language, etc. Attitude matters even on forums.

Then I would submit with all due respect sister you hadn't searched out the nature of the majority of Internet Discussion forums, even church related. Most people realize that is unfortunately parr for the course in these types of venues.

Regarding calling him out there... then I would be as wrong as he is. Unless you can find me scriptural basis for doing so, Matthew 18 shows that I am to go to him privately. I do not go places any more (as I stated earlier) with him and his good wife.... but even if I did, I would be causing just as much confusion and out of order as he is to correct him right there.

If you can provide me the Scriptural reference where I would be in order, then please provide and I'll reconsider.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Then I would submit with all due respect sister you hadn't searched out the nature of the majority of Internet Discussion forums, even church related. Most people realize that is unfortunately parr for the course in these types of venues.

Regarding calling him out there... then I would be as wrong as he is. Unless you can find me scriptural basis for doing so, Matthew 18 shows that I am to go to him privately. I do not go places any more (as I stated earlier) with him and his good wife.... but even if I did, I would be causing just as much confusion and out of order as he is to correct him right there.

If you can provide me the Scriptural reference where I would be in order, then please provide and I'll reconsider.

There's nothing there about sticking your leg out in the aisle and tripping him as he passes? 'Cause you know that would be an awesome YouTube clip, brother. Totally awesome.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Then I would submit with all due respect sister you hadn't searched out the nature of the majority of Internet Discussion forums, even church related. Most people realize that is unfortunately parr for the course in these types of venues.

Regarding calling him out there... then I would be as wrong as he is. Unless you can find me scriptural basis for doing so, Matthew 18 shows that I am to go to him privately. I do not go places any more (as I stated earlier) with him and his good wife.... but even if I did, I would be causing just as much confusion and out of order as he is to correct him right there.

If you can provide me the Scriptural reference where I would be in order, then please provide and I'll reconsider.

This was my first forum and then I found another one, but I kept coming back here.
You may be right, privately might be best. Rudeness however is rudeness wherever it happens. I guess his Uncle should be the one calling him out, and apologizing to his congregation. So, I think you have done all you can do for him.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Cindy

And I have to disagree with you. I don't know why the dynamics of this forum change sometimes. Sometimes vile, hateful words spew out of people's hearts, and cut other people's heart. The difference is here they get called out on it some. Maybe if you had called this "brother out" on his behavior it might change things. Since your "loving" him hasn't. But, I guess it might be hard to be that courageous for the people he is laying into. Hope this isn't too critical.

Good stuff. And a very good idea. Maybe go with him to visit a church and when invited to testify, make sure you go second. Then after he "lays it to them", you testify against preachers "laying it to them" and more on the love of Christ.

See if he walks out during your testimony.

Just make sure you drive yourself there.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by scotty

Good stuff. And a very good idea. Maybe go with him to visit a church and when invited to testify, make sure you go second. Then after he "lays it to them", you testify against preachers "laying it to them" and more on the love of Christ.

See if he walks out during your testimony.

Just make sure you drive yourself there.

Then I would be out of line. The place for correction for a deed is first in private according to Matthew 18. I would be just as bad as he is if I did it like that.