Repentance, Holiness, and the Church

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Do you walk on water? Then you also,
are deceived.

We all touch part of the elephant;
Christians have gotten the mistaken
impression that they are the zookeepers.

One's premises are always revealed,
and I am convinced that you can call
yourself a satanist, for all God cares-
-if your heart is right, you are "in."

Yeah well this elephant talked and told us what He is.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Yeah well this elephant talked and told us what He is.

Amen! But one needs ears to hear "talk,"
and we (me included) assume that ours
work fine, and so anyone who disagrees
with us needs help.

Thus revealing our premises.
Since that prolly won't track too well,
I'll say that we don't understand virtually any
of what Christ said, if we hear anything other
than "I understand," or at least do not proceed from this premise.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Amen! But one needs ears to hear "talk,"
and we (me included) assume that ours
work fine, and so anyone who disagrees
with us needs help.

Thus revealing our premises.
Since that prolly won't track too well,
I'll say that we don't understand virtually any
of what Christ said, if we hear anything other
than "I understand," or at least do not proceed from this premise.

Is it wrong for me to assume that if God not only had His words written to us even though it was through man as His Spirit moved upon them and He spoke to us while He was in the flesh that God then made our ears to work fine and have the ability to hear what he is saying?

Of course it's not wrong. So why try to get anyone to question the most basic message of the bible?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Is it wrong for me to assume that if God not only had His words written to us even though it was through man as His Spirit moved upon them and He spoke to us while He was in the flesh that God then made our ears to work fine and have the ability to hear what he is saying?

Of course it's not wrong. So why try to get anyone to question the most basic message of the bible?

Well, the "hearing" we seek for faith does not need
the physical ears we already have, imo, but an
understanding of a Scriptural principle, seen
re-enacted in an everyday situation?

And I note that the NT was written
by Jews, but for whatever reason
comes to us through the Greek?
What is that? But I'm working on
that part--meanwhile, we can do
it your way--

What is this most basic message
of the Bible you refer to?

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Well, the "hearing" we seek for faith does not need
the physical ears we already have, imo, but an
understanding of a Scriptural principle, seen
re-enacted in an everyday situation?

And I note that the NT was written
by Jews, but for whatever reason
comes to us through the Greek?
What is that? But I'm working on
that part--meanwhile, we can do
it your way--

What is this most basic message
of the Bible you refer to?

We are sinners in need of a Savior and that the whole bible points towards Jesus Christ as being that Savior.