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[deacon blues]

How about Christian Friends Forum. I relate more to the Biblical name for the followers of Jesus rather than Apostolic. The NT church did not call themselves as such.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How about Christian Friends Forum. I relate more to the Biblical name for the followers of Jesus rather than Apostolic. The NT church did not call themselves as such.

Christ lived on earth and taught the disciples/apostles. He taught them what to teach and preach to the world. Before Jesus ascended, he gave them instructions as what to do. In the 24th chapter of Luke, He was with them and gave clear instructions as what to do. Earlier he had told them that if he did not go away, the Comforter (Holy Ghost) could not come. The role of Son had been completed, now the Spirit could be poured out from on high.
The chosen apostles were given instructions by Jesus and their understanding opened. They were equipped to go into the world and preach the gospel. And preach and teach they did. They preached Christ and him crucified. Those who have followed the Apostles of the LORD, teach and preach the same thing. If not, they are not APOSTLICS! Apostolics came from the Apostles Doctrine or teaching. Pentecostal comes from the experience received on the DAY OF PENTECOST! I have absolutely no problem being called an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! DO YOU? IF SO, WHY! I also do not have a problem being called a JESUS NAME APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! For I am not ashamed of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation to everyone that believeth! It is for WHOSOEVER WILL!!

Falla39

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Christ lived on earth and taught the disciples/apostles. He taught them what to teach and preach to the world. Before Jesus ascended, he gave them instructions as what to do. In the 24th chapter of Luke, He was with them and gave clear instructions as what to do. Earlier he had told them that if he did not go away, the Comforter (Holy Ghost) could not come. The role of Son had been completed, now the Spirit could be poured out from on high.
The chosen apostles were given instructions by Jesus and their understanding opened. They were equipped to go into the world and preach the gospel. And preach and teach they did. They preached Christ and him crucified. Those who have followed the Apostles of the LORD, teach and preach the same thing. If not, they are not APOSTLICS! Apostolics came from the Apostles Doctrine or teaching. Pentecostal comes from the experience received on the DAY OF PENTECOST! I have absolutely no problem being called an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! DO YOU? IF SO, WHY! I also do not have a problem being called a JESUS NAME APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! For I am not ashamed of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation to everyone that believeth! It is for WHOSOEVER WILL!!

Falla39

catholics call themselves apostolic. and mother teresa lived a more holy life dedicated to God over some of these jesus named apostolics.. but some of these Jesus named apostolics condem her to hell....just saying.

Jesus also told the disciples there name was written in the book of life before they had this pentacostal experience. He said wait in jerusalem to be endued with Power. not with salvation.

Many people differ on what the term apostolic doctrine as defined is. my view of apostolic doctrine and your view are totally different views. yet i consider both of us christians on our way to heaven.

i mean i can sing that song to Im a pentacostal I am not ashamed. but im gonna change the words up a bit.

[Esther]

I don't think any of us have reached the Apostolic level the apostles had. Most of them died for the gospel. When they preached with such anointing it caused whole cities to respond. Most wanted them run out of town.


Peter was so anointed his shadow healed them. They had power I don't see today.

I hope and pray we can see that power again!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Christ lived on earth and taught the disciples/apostles. He taught them what to teach and preach to the world. Before Jesus ascended, he gave them instructions as what to do. In the 24th chapter of Luke, He was with them and gave clear instructions as what to do. Earlier he had told them that if he did not go away, the Comforter (Holy Ghost) could not come. The role of Son had been completed, now the Spirit could be poured out from on high.
The chosen apostles were given instructions by Jesus and their understanding opened. They were equipped to go into the world and preach the gospel. And preach and teach they did. They preached Christ and him crucified.

And the world called them Christians. No one called themselves Apostolic Pentecostals in the Bible. It's a modern construct.

Those who have followed the Apostles of the LORD, teach and preach the same thing. If not, they are not APOSTLICS! Apostolics came from the Apostles Doctrine or teaching. Pentecostal comes from the experience received on the DAY OF PENTECOST! I have absolutely no problem being called an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! DO YOU? IF SO, WHY! I also do not have a problem being called a JESUS NAME APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! For I am not ashamed of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation to everyone that believeth! It is for WHOSOEVER WILL!!

Falla39

I have a problem being called Apostolic Pentecostal in some ways because it associates me with many groups I don't want to be identified with. Because of the elitist, self righteous reputation that many AP groups have, I don't want folks to lump me in with the same.

There are Apostolic groups that handle snakes and drink poison. But theybare hardline Oneness and holiness standards. There's a group of Apostolics that are part of the C. Peter Wagner/Cindy Jacobs/Dutch Sheets prayer movement that have no holiness dress codes. So the pride in the term Apostolic really becomes subjective. I doubt if you would want those people to be lumped in with you, yet they claim the Apostolic label.

Then there's Pentecostal. The TBN crowd is Pentecostal. I find very few on TBN I want to be connected to. Most of the prosperity doctrine comes out of Pentecostal circles. I deplore that false teaching. There are cooky Pentecostals that seek after signs and do crazy stuff that isn't Biblical. There are folks who are Pentecostal that abuse the gifts of the Spirit and prophecy false prophecies and make a sham out of true spirituality and godliness. The spectrum on the Pentecostal continuum is very broad. And many on that continuum are people you wouldn't want to represent you.

So I look at the Bible and I see the label Christian. They were identified as having been with Jesus. They didn't get on their high horse and brag about their superior doctrines and organizations and how they were the true Body of Christ. They simply walked by faith, obeyed Christ's command to spread the Gospel, started churches, strengthened the brethren and lived the life. They didn't get caught up in political church struggles and names to slap on their church signs. They loved the Lord and humbly walked with their God and the world took notice and they embraced the message they preached and lived.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

And the world called them Christians. No one called themselves Apostolic Pentecostals in the Bible. It's a modern construct.



I have a problem being called Apostolic Pentecostal in some ways because it associates me with many groups I don't want to be identified with. Because of the elitist, self righteous reputation that many AP groups have, I don't want folks to lump me in with the same.

There are Apostolic groups that handle snakes and drink poison. But theybare hardline Oneness and holiness standards. There's a group of Apostolics that are part of the C. Peter Wagner/Cindy Jacobs/Dutch Sheets prayer movement that have no holiness dress codes. So the pride in the term Apostolic really becomes subjective. I doubt if you would want those people to be lumped in with you, yet they claim the Apostolic label.

Then there's Pentecostal. The TBN crowd is Pentecostal. I find very few on TBN I want to be connected to. Most of the prosperity doctrine comes out of Pentecostal circles. I deplore that false teaching. There are cooky Pentecostals that seek after signs and do crazy stuff that isn't Biblical. There are folks who are Pentecostal that abuse the gifts of the Spirit and prophecy false prophecies and make a sham out of true spirituality and godliness. The spectrum on the Pentecostal continuum is very broad. And many on that continuum are people you wouldn't want to represent you.

So I look at the Bible and I see the label Christian. They were identified as having been with Jesus. They didn't get on their high horse and brag about their superior doctrines and organizations and how they were the true Body of Christ. They simply walked by faith, obeyed Christ's command to spread the Gospel, started churches, strengthened the brethren and lived the life. They didn't get caught up in political church struggles and names to slap on their church signs. They loved the Lord and humbly walked with their God and the world took notice and they embraced the message they preached and lived.

Those crews aren't that different. There are some really nasty spirits running around in those circles. The New Apostolic Reformation is known for a lot of spiritual abuses that make some of the pastors mentioned on this board look like childs play. That and the false prophetic spirit and the false manifestations run rampant.

TBN, it's mostly about $$$. Money is a big thing in the NAR as well, you have to pay to get a list of their 'prophesies' (Elijah list).

To many that have suffered abuse, I am sorry. If you've been mentally and spiritually abused in a UPCI/AP church I am sorry. I've been in some of these situations (even heard a pastor use the N-word over the pulpit during service and he got more Amens for that than his message). I didn't blame God. I didn't blame the standards. I didn't blame the doctrine. I saw standards and doctrine searching the scriptures, not because someone said so. I moved away as soon as I could and found an amazing multicultural (yes UPCI) church. The pastor is a good man. I moved away into a similar situation, only whites (which I am) are the minority (55-60% African-American and Mexican), and again the pastor is a good man. I've been blessed.

However, I saw this doctrine after frequenting other churches. I was in a situation where God 'cornered me' and I saw what He was trying to show me, not because someone forced it on me. When I've been in a bad situation I've prayed, God has always helped me. Not in my time, but He always has.

About political struggles, never understood all that. He's not the author of confusion. Tells me there is a lack of prayer somewhere.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Christ lived on earth and taught the disciples/apostles. He taught them what to teach and preach to the world. Before Jesus ascended, he gave them instructions as what to do. In the 24th chapter of Luke, He was with them and gave clear instructions as what to do. Earlier he had told them that if he did not go away, the Comforter (Holy Ghost) could not come. The role of Son had been completed, now the Spirit could be poured out from on high.
The chosen apostles were given instructions by Jesus and their understanding opened. They were equipped to go into the world and preach the gospel. And preach and teach they did. They preached Christ and him crucified. Those who have followed the Apostles of the LORD, teach and preach the same thing. If not, they are not APOSTLICS! Apostolics came from the Apostles Doctrine or teaching. Pentecostal comes from the experience received on the DAY OF PENTECOST! I have absolutely no problem being called an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! DO YOU? IF SO, WHY! I also do not have a problem being called a JESUS NAME APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL! For I am not ashamed of the gospel of JESUS CHRIST, for it is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation to everyone that believeth! It is for WHOSOEVER WILL!!

Falla39

I agree with all this EXCEPT when you say the role of the Son is fulfilled. Jesus as the Son of man is our daily mediator. Paul said to the Thessalonians we are waiting for the Son to come from Heaven.

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come . 1 Thess. 1:9-10

It might be more accurate to say he fulfilled his role as the lamb that was slain