Creflo Dollar - Page 6

houston · #51 06-12-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

He gave his son money. What an enabler.

Cindy · #52 06-13-2012, 05:34 AM

There is nothing harder to deal with than a rebellious teenager. But, you CANNOT beat it out of them.

acerrak · #53 06-13-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Agreed. Children DO need discipline. But discipline does not always (or even often) need to involve physical battery. Swatting a diapered bottom just enough to get their attention is one thing. Leaving welts, bruises or other marks is a whole different thing. That should NEVER happen - at any age!!

lol my 11 year old doesnt wear a diaper does yours? However the punishment should always fit the bill. The older they get I just take away privelages, but when they fuss and fight with there siblings, i can only handle so much, i guarentee its not gonna be a little love pat to get there attention.

This is discipline. love pats dont do it.

Jermyn Davidson · #54 06-13-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

My Dad threw my brother down our stairs when he continued to back talked my Dad.

My Mom threw a plate at my brother when he continued to disrespect her cooking.

At the time when these events happened, it may have seemed extreme for someone on the outside looking in, but I can tell you that my brother deserved both acts of discipline and he is a better man today for it.

I stand by Pastor Creflo Dollar on this one.

I wouldn't let satan have my daughter or son passively. Sometimes, love can be tough.

Cindy · #55 06-13-2012, 06:39 AM

Good grief!!

crakjak · #56 06-13-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My Dad threw my brother down our stairs when he continued to back talked my Dad.

My Mom threw a plate at my brother when he continued to disrespect her cooking.

At the time when these events happened, it may have seemed extreme for someone on the outside looking in, but I can tell you that my brother deserved both acts of discipline and he is a better man today for it.

I stand by Pastor Creflo Dollar on this one.

I wouldn't let satan have my daughter or son passively. Sometimes, love can be tough.

Your father and mother needed some training in parenting as most parents do, adults that do such things including Creflo are immature in parenting. They may be mature in other areas, but their parenting needs help, when it gets to this point they have already missed the ball much earlier in parenting their children.

We all miss it in some areas, and by the time we get it together our children have already grown up. Hopefully, we are able to grow some beyond our own childhood and add some growth to our children and as result our family tree matures, at least, generationally.

crakjak · #57 06-13-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

Amen!!!

Jermyn Davidson · #58 06-13-2012, 08:01 AM

Regardless of their faults, my brother is a better man today.

I don't think Pastor Dollar choked his daughter.

To imply or state that discipline should not have to get physical with teenagers may be truthful, but it is not always reality.

Seriously, there are some children and some teens who are in need of physical discipline-- not advocating choking or abuse, but physical discipline is sometimes necessary.

If my 15 year old son or daughter demanded that I let her out of the house at 10:00pm, let alone 1:00am and then tried to force her way out, I would physically stop him or her.

Then I'd give them the phone so that they can call whoever they want to call so that they can tell whomever all about how their father's love.

crakjak · #59 06-13-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Agreed. Children DO need discipline. But discipline does not always (or even often) need to involve physical battery. Swatting a diapered bottom just enough to get their attention is one thing. Leaving welts, bruises or other marks is a whole different thing. That should NEVER happen - at any age!!

And I still maintain that after a certain age, there are much more effective means of discipline. Curtail your teens social life by taking away their phone, their computer, their car, and their privilege of leaving the house. That's fine. But beating them? Really? We throw a fit and call him a batterer if a man hits his wife (to teach her a lesson. ya right!). But if he hits his 15 year old daughter we call that discipline. Does that seem right to you? it really doesn't to me.

When I was 14, our pastor's daughters and I got in some trouble together (nothing serious. We snuck out in the middle of the night and rode across town in our pj's on our bikes - remember, this was in the 60's and we live in a small town). My dad took my bike away for a month and grounded me to our yard for a week. That was plenty of "punishment" for what we'd done. I learned my lesson - believe me! On the other hand, our pastor beat his daughter's with a piece of rubber hose so badly that they had welts and bruises on their backsides and down the backs of their legs. At that point, I lost ever bit of respect I had ever had for the man. From then on I just saw him as a brutal bully.

Unfortunately, many fathers know how to beat a child more quickly than to talk to a child. With proper use of instruction, withdrawal of privileges and extra chores, very little to no physical punishment is required to raise a child. In some cases physical punishment is very counter productive. When discipline and punishment is applied in anger, anger is passed on to the child. I was severely discipled in my spirit by the Lord on two different occasions in which I disciplined one of my boys in anger.

crakjak · #60 06-13-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Regardless of their faults, my brother is a better man today.

I don't think Pastor Dollar choked his daughter.

To imply or state that discipline should not have to get physical with teenagers may be truthful, but it is not always reality.

Seriously, there are some children and some teens who are in need of physical discipline-- not advocating choking or abuse, but physical discipline is sometimes necessary.

If my 15 year old son or daughter demanded that I let her out of the house at 10:00pm, let alone 1:00am and then tried to force her way out, I would physically stop him or her.

Then I'd give them the phone so that they can call whoever they want to call so that they can tell whomever all about how their father's love.

I understand that we live in an imperfect world, but parents must be very careful when applying physical punishment. I understand that even with the best of parenting some children rebel, however, we should not give them fuel for their anger. Parent anger gives justification for rebellion. Parenting is best done from early age with love and firmness. Still some children still go thru a time of rebellion, some for a lifetime.