You can pray...just not to Jesus.

HRea · #1 06-21-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

How do you know? Fox news? May God rebuke you. The Qur'an makes plain in many places that the Pentateuch was given to be studied, and that there is only one God.

Wishing you (or they) were different does not make it so, Dordt.
"Ishmael was blessed of God," so Scripture plainly
calls that a lie.

Actually the koran itself testifies that the God of the Jews and Christians is not the same as the god of the muslims. The god in the koran declares that he is not a father nor does he beget. The God of the Jews and Christians declares of Jesus Christ, "unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given", "this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased", and "God so loved the world that He gave is only begotten Son".

Diving back into history, the god of the muslims had, at one time, three daughters (who were to be worshipped as goddesses), until their "prophet" decided he was tricked by the devil into revealing to everyone about god's three daughters.

Dordrecht · #2 06-21-2012, 06:32 PM

There's only one way to the Father and that's through Jesus Christ.

Of course satan disagrees with this statement and tries to make the things of God look evil and the things of satan look good.....that's why he comes up with all kinds of gimmicks, like the book of mormon, the koran and a lot of other junk that's designed to lead people to hell.

I have news for satan, he has been defeated 2000 years ago at Calvary, and he knows it, that's why he's working like crazy to suck more people into these false religions before the return of Christ.....When Christ returns there will be no more false religions. There will be no more korans and books of mormon. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Christ is Lord.

Walks_in_islam · #3 06-30-2012, 05:27 PM

Your own bible teaches you that the way to God is through prayer.

Jesus taught this and this is succinctly summarized in Matthew 6.

You are right that all will recognize Jesus at the day of Judgement. Jesus will be exactly where he said he will be and where he was taken up to - at the right hand of God who Jesus, while on earth, taught you to pray to.

Call a book who states these things a gimmick if you want to. If so then you call the words from your own book a gimmick because above is what your book actually says. What you cannot do is claim you read this "gimmick" book then describe in detail what problem you had with it.

Now - gimmicks (locking and loading) - there was a "blood transfusion" preacher making the rounds for awhile collecting offerings and doing all kinds of "healings", OH and the "nuclear war" preacher, now you have the "holy hair" preacher, the "prophecy" preachers who first identified the catholics then the USSR then the EU as the kingdoms of the antichrist, so many lying gimmick-filled among your ranks and you dare to speak against those who teach 1. prayer 2. fasting 3. charity 4. faith 5. maintain roots and NOTHING ELSE as believing a gimmick?

Get real

I have a whole collection of gimmicks from your ranks to reference. I'm just getting started actually LOL

"The anti-christ" mentioned (4) times in the bible, in (2) books of unknown authorship that specifically say that the antichrist was already among them (long before Islam by the way) and further define those who do not believe Jesus came from and was from God as antichrist. The Quran does not say that Jesus did not come from, was not created by, and was not sent from God. The Quran says that God said "BE" and Jesus "WAS" and explains further that God did not "beget" a "son" but that God "spoke" Jesus into existance and announced this existance to Mary. Do you to study your passages and do you to yield chapter in verse from your own book where this is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht

There's only one way to the Father and that's through Jesus Christ.

Of course satan disagrees with this statement and tries to make the things of God look evil and the things of satan look good.....that's why he comes up with all kinds of gimmicks, like the book of mormon, the koran and a lot of other junk that's designed to lead people to hell.

I have news for satan, he has been defeated 2000 years ago at Calvary, and he knows it, that's why he's working like crazy to suck more people into these false religions before the return of Christ.....When Christ returns there will be no more false religions. There will be no more korans and books of mormon. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that Christ is Lord.

bbyrd009 · #4 06-22-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HRea

Actually the koran itself testifies that the God of the Jews and Christians is not the same as the god of the muslims. The god in the koran declares that he is not a father nor does he beget. The God of the Jews and Christians declares of Jesus Christ, "unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given", "this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased", and "God so loved the world that He gave is only begotten Son".

Diving back into history, the god of the muslims had, at one time, three daughters (who were to be worshipped as goddesses), until their "prophet" decided he was tricked by the devil into revealing to everyone about god's three daughters.

I started reading the Qur'an about the time I started on this forum, and I would call this a mis-characterization at best. It states that one should follow Christ, and admits the sanctity of the Pentateuch. While it is written from a different pov, Christians have all the same concepts, and one, even Dordt, would be hard pressed to point to a single passage that they have any problem with.

As I'm pretty sure that all the opinions of any Muslim-haters come from Fox news, and not the Qur'an, I would invite you to post any passages, including any about Fatherhood, that you might have a problem with. When context is taken into consideration, these passages become clear; unless, of course, you pray to Christ (or Mary), or have some other Romish problem.

HRea · #5 06-22-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I started reading the Qur'an about the time I started on this forum, and I would call this a mis-characterization at best. It states that one should follow Christ, and admits the sanctity of the Pentateuch. While it is written from a different pov, Christians have all the same concepts, and one, even Dordt, would be hard pressed to point to a single passage that they have any problem with.

As I'm pretty sure that all the opinions of any Muslim-haters come from Fox news, and not the Qur'an, I would invite you to post any passages, including any about Fatherhood, that you might have a problem with. When context is taken into consideration, these passages become clear; unless, of course, you pray to Christ (or Mary), or have some other Romish problem.

It's NOT a mis-characterization, NOR is it muslim-hating to point out what is written in the koran. Seeing as you have studied the koran, you already know the passages that are written concerning their god not having a son; however, a simple google search will bring up several (not just a few) koran passages that emphatically, and clearly, state the the god of the muslims has not, does not, and has no plans to beget any son (context is very clear). It's not Fox News stating this; it's the koran itself. It is the koran denying that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It is clear from these passages that the god of the muslim is not the God of the Christians.

Dordrecht · #6 06-22-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HRea

It's NOT a mis-characterization, NOR is it muslim-hating to point out what is written in the koran. Seeing as you have studied the koran, you already know the passages that are written concerning their god not having a son; however, a simple google search will bring up several (not just a few) koran passages that emphatically, and clearly, state the the god of the muslims has not, does not, and has no plans to beget any son (context is very clear). It's not Fox News stating this; it's the koran itself. It is the koran denying that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It is clear from these passages that the god of the muslim is not the God of the Christians.

Amen!

bbyrd009 · #7 06-22-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HRea

It's NOT a mis-characterization, NOR is it muslim-hating to point out what is written in the koran. Seeing as you have studied the koran, you already know the passages that are written concerning their god not having a son; however, a simple google search will bring up several (not just a few) koran passages that emphatically, and clearly, state the the god of the muslims has not, does not, and has no plans to beget any son (context is very clear). It's not Fox News stating this; it's the koran itself. It is the koran denying that Jesus Christ is the son of God. It is clear from these passages that the god of the muslim is not the God of the Christians.

"Ishmael was blessed of God," and this silly obfuscation @ "God's Son" is pointless. If your God is not their God, that is your problem. You four and no more can go wherever you like, but if you pretend that a Muslim is hell-bound because of some difference of religion you are deceived.

You would do much better to hate on Catholics or something, as all this Muslim-bashing, which is what you are doing whether you want to admit it or not--it is screamed from some thread titles--is quite ridiculous. You become what you warn about. I'm not scared of them; I'm scared of you.

Just like a Christian's, a Muslim's relationship with Christ--who has more names than you know, and is not confined by your definition of Him--is their own business, and the Qur'an plainly states that Christ is the Way; yet you choose to dwell on semantics.

HRea · #8 06-22-2012, 12:49 PM

You seem to go out of your way to twist and misread many of the posts. We are not muslim bashing, we're critical of islam...two very different things. muslims have souls that need Jesus...islam is a satanic death cult.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

"Ishmael was blessed of God," and this silly obfuscation @ "God's Son" is pointless.

Actually what you call silly and pointless, the Christian Apostle John calls a warning against the spirit of anti-christ. We are not obfuscating, but are quite clear...and the koran is quite clear...it denies that god has a son. In denying that god has a son, it declares itself to be anti-christ, according to the Christian Apostle John.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

You would do much better to hate on Catholics or something, as all this Muslim-bashing, which is what you are doing whether you want to admit it or not--it is screamed from some thread titles--is quite ridiculous. You become what you warn about. I'm not scared of them; I'm scared of you.

Again, we're not hating or bashing anyone, muslims, catholics, or whoever.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Just like a Christian's, a Muslim's relationship with Christ--who has more names than you know, and is not confined by your definition of Him--is their own business, and the Qur'an plainly states that Christ is the Way; yet you choose to dwell on semantics.

muslims have no relationship with Jesus Christ, and islam most certainly does not consider Jesus to be their Savior, He serves as a herald declaring another savior.

Sam · #9 06-22-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I started reading the Qur'an about the time I started on this forum, and I would call this a mis-characterization at best. It states that one should follow Christ, and admits the sanctity of the Pentateuch. While it is written from a different pov, Christians have all the same concepts, and one, even Dordt, would be hard pressed to point to a single passage that they have any problem with.

As I'm pretty sure that all the opinions of any Muslim-haters come from Fox news, and not the Qur'an, I would invite you to post any passages, including any about Fatherhood, that you might have a problem with. When context is taken into consideration, these passages become clear; unless, of course, you pray to Christ (or Mary), or have some other Romish problem.

I have not read the "Holy Qur'an" as our President refers to it, but it is my understanding that there is a different slant on which son Abraham offered in Genesis chapter 22 and which of his sons was to be his heir.

Sam · #10 06-22-2012, 10:40 AM

Would this offend?

Lovely Lady Dressed in Blue

Lovely Lady dressed in blue ----
 Teach me how to pray!  
God was just your little boy,
 Tell me what to say!

Did you lift Him up, sometimes,  
Gently on your knee?  
Did you sing to Him
the way  Mother does to me?

Did you hold His hand at night?
 Did you ever try  
Telling stories of the world?  
O! And did He cry?

Do you really think He cares  
If I tell Him things-
Little things that happen? And
 Do the Angels' wings

Make a noise?
And can He hear  
Me if I speak low?  
Does He understand me now?  
Tell me ---- for you know?

Lovely Lady dressed in blue ----
Teacj me how to pray!  
God was just your little boy,  
And you know the way.